So I guess that is worse than Christians killing and persecuting people of other sects during that time period

“you imposed high taxes on them simply because they were non_muslims”

I did? maybe the ismaili
s did but certainly not me

“THe natural response to all these discriminations is a non-Muslim ” jihad”. That was exactly what the crusades were. Christian reaction to Muslim enchroachment of CHristians territories way back in 693 ad and as far away as Spain.”

O, certainly, Ismailis were doing this for a while, all of a sudden when seljuks come, they wanna go on a ‘jihaad’, like a bunch of cowards they kill innocent people muslims, jews and even christians, most of them just going for material purposes and some thought they were after jews in the rhine.

Spain? is that why a person withing Spain called for Islamic conquest of the dictatorship type of government run there, it becomes funnier taking into consideration, that they were allowed to keep their faith but when christians take over, nobody can keep their faith including Jews and Christians of otehr sects, yet when salaahuddin takes over jerusalem again, he doesn’t take revenge, he let them keep their faith after the massacre of innocent people, which is exactly what you are trying to justify! So, you tell me, who started it? WOuld Native American now be jsutified if they rose up and killed whites in America? Surprisingly, the states that were conwuered by Muslims were a bunch of kingdoms that did committ aggression and didn’t let people spread Islam…please don’t embarass yourself

Carly Fiorina, the CEO of Hewlett Packard, recently gave a speech defining the relevance of leadership in today’s world. Here is the quote from the final part of her speech.

“I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.”

For the full speech, please go to:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/exect.....sota01.htm

http://www.islamicvideos.net/c.....Itemid,30/

About Crusades:

http://www.islamicvideos.net/c.....Itemid,30/

About Ottomans:

http://www.islamicvideos.net/c.....Itemid,30/

See 5th video down about Islamic Spain:

http://kalamullah.com/videos.html

About participating with Hitler:

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm......0_25_0_C22

“Christians have been persecuting Muslims in those years”

No, not Christians in particular, there wasn’t really a religious motive, more so political, but that’s far from the point, what’s wrong is wrong

“Why should MUslims be focussed on the response to their military expeditions that were started by them”

O you mean like the Crusades, that were a response to what Jerusalem welcoming the Caliph Omer (RAA) in open arms when he conquered it as a response to their aggression? No, the reality was, the pope was jsut mad because of some ismaili caliph hakim destroying some church, the seljuks rebuilding it didn’t help, and yet you use this to justify killing innocent people including jews and christians, by this logic, I guess modern day atrocities which occur by Muslims, are by all means justified. By th way, if you are gonna lie, tell a good one