Paul of Tarsus: The Clear-Cut Hypocrite保羅塔爾蘇斯:清楚明確的偽君子

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Friday 07 Oct, 2005星期五2005年10月7日

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Tera Tak Adamar泰拉德阿達馬爾

We read the following teachings of the so-called “apostle” from Tarsus, Paul, written in his epistles as follows:我們閱讀以下教義的所謂的“使徒”從大數,保羅,寫在他的書信如下:

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.如果可能的話,只要它取決於你,無論是在和平與眾人。 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” (Romans 12:18-19)永遠不要把你自己的報復,親愛的,但離開房間為上帝的憤怒,因為它是寫,“復仇是我的,我會報答。”(羅 12:18-19)

Another teaching which Paul had written is:另一個教學,其中保羅曾寫信是:

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.熊彼此原諒你任何不滿可能對彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you.原諒上帝原諒你的。 (Col 3:13) (西3:13)

A summary of the above recorded statements by Paul:上述概要記錄報表由保羅:

  • Be at peace with all men.在和平與眾人。
  • Never take your own revenge, beloved!永遠不要把你自己的報復,敬愛!
  • Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.熊彼此原諒你任何不滿可能對彼此。

We admit that these are all beautiful teachings.我們承認,這些都是美麗的教誨。 The question now, however, is did Paul himself put these very same teachings of his into effect?現在的問題,但是,是保羅自己把這些同樣的教導他的生效? As it so happens, we beg to differ!由於如此情況,我們不能苟同!

Paul's Hypocrisy Revealed 保羅的偽善揭曉

We read in Acts that:我們讀到的行為是:

And after some days Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us return and visit the brethren in every city in which we proclaimed the word of the Lord, and see how they are.” And Barnabas was desirous of taking John, called Mark, along with them also.過了些日子,保羅對巴拿巴說:“讓我們返回和訪問的弟兄在每個城市中,我們宣布了這個詞的主,看看它們是如何。”和巴拿巴是渴望採取約翰,所謂的馬克,隨著他們還。 But Paul kept insisting that they should not take him along who had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work.但保羅堅持認為他們不應該帶他一起誰拋棄了他們,也沒有在潘菲利亞了與他們的工作。 And there arose such a sharp disagreement that they separated from one another, and Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed away to Cyprus.於是出現這樣一個尖銳的分歧,他們彼此分開,和巴拿巴了馬克和他一起乘船離開塞浦路斯。 (Acts 15:36-40) (徒15:36-40)

It is clear that Paul and Barnabas had had a sharp disagreement and later parted company because of that same disagreement.很顯然,保羅和巴拿巴了尖銳的分歧,後來分手,因為同樣的分歧。 So Paul was not following what he had preached, namely to “…be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18).因此,保羅不按他所鼓吹的,即“...在和平與眾人”(羅12:18)。

We also observe that Paul had not forgiven John (called Mark) for having abandoned him and Barnabas at Pamphylia (Acts 15:38) and opposed Barnabas' plan to take John with him.我們還看到,保羅還沒有原諒約翰(稱為馬克)因拋棄了他和巴拿巴在潘菲利亞(使徒15:38),並反對巴拿巴'計劃採取約翰與他。 Apparently Paul had amnesia with regard to his teaching, “forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.顯然保羅失憶關於他的教學,“原諒你什麼不滿可能對彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you” (Col. 3:13). 作為主原諒原諒你“(西3:13)。 So why did not Paul forgive John for abandoning him earlier?那麼為什麼不原諒約翰保羅放棄他剛才?

Further, regarding revenge, this snake taught that “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19) but yet Paul himself took his revenge against John (called Mark) by refusing to take him in the journey.此外,關於報復,這蛇教導說“永遠不要把你自己的報復,親愛的!”(羅馬書12:19),但尚未保羅自己拿了他的報復對約翰(稱為馬克)拒絕把他的旅程。 So again we ask, why did Paul seek his revenge against John when he had clearly forbidden this?因此,我們再次詢問,為何保羅對約翰尋求報復時,他已明確禁止呢? He is no doubt a clear-cut hypocrite , through and through!他無疑是一個明確的偽君子 ,通過並通過!

On a related sidenote, this snake also has used在一個相關的聯盟論壇,這蛇也利用 Jesus耶穌 '(P) name in his teachings when in reality it is not originally from Jesus(P), but from his own concoction. '(P)的名字在他的教誨時,事實上,這並非原先由耶穌(P),但他自己的捏造。 For example, in 1 Corinthians 15:6, Paul taught that the resurrected Christ had appeared to over five hundred breathren at one time but this episode is not available in the Gospels.例如,在哥林多前書 15:6,保羅告訴我們,復活的基督出現了超過 500 breathren在同一時間,但這次事件是不具備的福音。 Another proof is in Acts 20:35, whereby Paul cites, “remember the words of the Lord Jesus how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive” .另一個證據是在行為20:35,讓保羅引用了,“記得主耶穌的話,他怎麼說,這是更為有福給予比接受”。 This citation is certainly not from Jesus(P) because nowhere in the Gospels is this quote to be found and attributed to Jesus(P).這當然不是從引用耶穌(規劃),因為無處在福音是這句話被發現,並歸因於耶穌(規劃)。 This same snake has also urged all the Jews amongst the Gentiles to forsake Moses(P), he told them not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs (Acts 21:21), this goes against what Jesus(P) himself taught.同樣的蛇也呼籲所有的猶太人放棄外邦人之間的摩西(P)的,他告訴他們不要孩子行割禮,也不走之後,海關(徒21:21),這違反了耶穌(P)的自己教導。 But sadly, the Christian missionaries and Christians in general have taken this hypocrite as their “apostle” and they generally behave like him as well.但可悲的是,基督教傳教士和基督徒一般都採取這一偽君子作為他們的“使徒”,他們普遍表現像他那樣的好。

Conclusions 結論

It is very clear from the above exposition that Paul was a hypocrite, and hence, how could the Christian missionaries expect Muslims to accept this snake as a legitimate “follower” of the Messiah Jesus(P), the son of Mary?這是非常明顯,從上面的論述,保羅是個偽君子,因此,如何能指望的基督教傳教士穆斯林接受此蛇作為一個合法的“追隨者”耶穌的彌賽亞(規劃),瑪麗的兒子? Paul clearly told others to make peace but he himself did not practice what he had preached when he had a sharp disagreement with Barnabas and they parted company (Acts 15).保羅清楚地告訴別人,使和平,但他本人並沒有實踐他所鼓吹的時候他有一個尖銳的分歧與巴拿巴與他們分手公司(使徒15)。 This totally contradicts what he had earlier taught, namely “be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18) and “forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.這完全違背了他早先教,即“在和平與眾人”(羅12:18)和“原諒你什麼不滿可能對彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” (Col. 3:13) 原諒上帝原諒你的。“(歌3:13)

He had also taken his revenge upon John (called Mark) because John had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work, as recorded in Acts 15, even though he told the Romans, “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19).他還呼籲採取報復約翰(稱為馬克),因為約翰已經遺棄他們,也沒有在潘菲利亞了與他們的工作,15所記錄的行為,即使他告訴羅馬人,“不要把你自己的報復,心愛的!“(羅馬書12:19)。 It seem that it was Barnabas who was more religious than Paul because he did not take his revenge upon John.它似乎是巴拿巴誰比保羅更宗教,因為他沒有採取報復後,他的約翰。

Which leads us to the question:這使我們的問題:

    If Paul himself has failed to follow what he had taught, would he indeed follow what Jesus(P) had taught? 如果保羅自己也沒有按照他所教,他會效法耶穌(P)的教?

And only God knows best.而且,只有上帝知道最好的。

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  1. Tera Tak Adamar, You surely don't like Paul for some reason.泰拉德阿達馬爾,你肯定不喜歡保羅出於某種原因。 But I need to correct you on some points you made about Paul.但我要糾正你,你就某些問題作出關於保羅。 Yes he did have a argument over Mark, but no where does it say that he didn't forgive him.是的,他確實有一個爭論了馬克,但它沒有在那裡說,他不原諒他。 In 2Timothy 4:9-13 Paul states: 9Do your best to come to me quickly, 10for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica.在2Timothy 4:9-13保羅指出:9Do你最好來我快,10for德馬斯,因為他愛這個世界,就離棄我,已經到帖撒羅尼迦。 Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Crescens已經到加拉太,和提多到達爾馬提亞。 11Only Luke is with me. 11Only路加在我這裡。 Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry.馬克和帶他找你,因為他幫助我在我部。 12I sent Tychicus to Ephesus. 12I派推基古到以弗所。 13When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments. 13When你來,把我留下了斗篷卡爾普斯在特羅亞,和我的條幅,特別是羊皮紙。 You can read it for yourself Paul here is at the end of his life and he is asking for Mark, and not only asking for him but praises him to,and it's in the bible for all time.你可以閱讀自己是保羅在這裡結束他的生活和他所要求的標誌,而不是只要求他,讚美他,並在所有時間的聖經。 And your other points of disageement, I don't have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down.和您的其他點 disageement,我還沒有確切的證據,但在約翰 21:24-25,約翰指出:24This是誰的弟子證明這些東西是誰寫下來。 We know that his testimony is true.我們知道,他的證詞是真實的。

    25Jesus did many other things as well. 25Jesus做了很多其他的東西也。 If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.如果每一個他們寫下來,我想,即便是整個世界不會有空間的書,將被寫入。 You can believe it or not about what Paul claims to have happen or said, that's not the Question.你可以相信它或不知道什麼是保羅聲稱已經發生或說,那不是問題。 The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ's claims of being God Almighty in the flesh.問題是你會做什麼與耶穌基督的說法被全能的上帝在肉身。 You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us).你可以相信你想要的或你所聽到的,但耶穌自稱是神在肉身,連他的名字是耶穌,(神與我們同)。 And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say?這在羅馬書 10:8-13蛇說:8But它說什麼? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. “這個詞是你附近,它是在你口裡,在你的心”,也就是說,單詞的信念,我們所傳:如果你承認 9That與你的嘴巴,“耶穌是主”,並相信在你心中,上帝他提出的從死裡復活,就必得救。 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 10For它是與你的心,你相信,是有道理的,它是與你的嘴,你承認並保存。 11As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 11As聖經說,“誰相信在他將永遠不會付諸恥辱。”12For沒有區別猶太人和非猶太人?相同的主是上帝保佑所有富饒所有誰請他,13for,“大家誰呼籲耶和華的名稱將被保存。“
    We will never know all things until we stand before our Righteous God, but one thing I do know is that Jesus is my reason for living and He gives me assurance that I am saved from my sins and hope someday that you can know the same fact in your life.我們永遠不會知道所有事情,直到我們站在我們的正義之神,但有一點我知道的是,耶穌是我的理由讓我的生活和他保證,我有救了我的罪,希望有一天,你可以知道同一事實在你的生活。

    In His Love在他的愛
    Michael邁克爾

  2. danny says: 丹尼 說:

    Turpin, the main problem I have with your reply is that it is based on a shaky source.特平,主要的問題,我與你的答复是,它是基於一個不穩定的來源。 Whether you agree with the arguments or not, the fact is that according to the scholarly concensus, Paul is not the author of 2 Timothy (or of 1 Timothy and Titus).無論你同意與否的論點,但事實是,根據學者的共識,保羅是不是作者的提摩太(或1提摩太和提多)。 Although the writings claim to have been authored by Paul, scholars are reasonably certain that Paul is not their author.雖然著作聲稱已撰寫的保羅,也有學者相當肯定,保羅是不是他們的作者。

    Therefore, we can view the statement in 2 Timothy as the product of later Christians who desired to smooth the conflict between Paul and others.因此,我們可以查看聲明提摩太作為產品後來基督徒誰想要順利保羅之間的衝突等。

    Now, relying sole upon the undoutedly authentic Pauline writings, there is no indication within them that Paul forgave Mark and others.現在,唯一的依靠後 undoutedly正宗寶蓮著作,但沒有跡象顯示他們在馬克和保羅原諒了別人。 On the contrary, Paul comes out as an arrogant individual who believes that only he is right and that he is the boss.相反,保羅出來作為一個傲慢個人誰認為只有他是對的,他是老闆。 Thus, as long as Paul is the boss its alright, and he reacts angrily as soon as his authority is questioned.因此,只要保羅是老闆的還好,他憤怒地作出反應,盡快他的權威受到質疑。 Later writings, such as Acts, try to salvage the image of Paul by smoothing the sharp conflicts we encounter in Paul's own writings.後來的著作,如行為,試圖挽救形象的保羅由平滑的尖銳矛盾,我們遇到保羅自己的著作。

    Turpin, you write:特平,你寫:

    “And your other points of disageement, I don?t have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. “和您的其他點 disageement,我不?噸有確切證據,但在約翰 21:24-25,約翰指出:24This是誰的弟子證明這些東西是誰寫下來。 We know that his testimony is true.我們知道,他的證詞是真實的。

    25Jesus did many other things as well. 25Jesus做了很多其他的東西也。 If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”如果每一個他們寫下來,我想,即便是整個世界不會有空間的書,將被寫入。“

    There is almost universal agreement among scholars that the whole of chapter 21 was added to the gospel of John by an unknown redactor after the unknown author completed the gospel.有學者之間幾乎普遍一致認為整個第21章,增加了約翰福音由一位不知名的修訂者完成後,無名作者的福音。 Who is this “beloved disciple”?誰是這個“心愛的弟子”? John is not the author of this gospel, it's an anonymous book.約翰是不是這個福音的作者,它是一個匿名的書。

    You also write:您還寫:

    “The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ?s claims of being God Almighty in the flesh.” “問題是你會怎麼做耶穌基督?之申索被全能的上帝在肉身。”

    I think there is no such statement made by Jesus (P) which is found within the gospels.我覺得沒有這個耶穌所作的發言(P)的發現是在福音。

    You proceed:您進行:

    “You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us).” “你可以相信你想要的或你所聽到的,但耶穌自稱是神在肉身,連他的名字是耶穌,(神與我們同)。”

    This is weak argument.這是薄弱的論據。 Can you tell us what Ishmael means?你能告訴我們什麼伊斯梅爾是什麼意思?

    Moving on:移動於:

    “And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say? “這在羅馬書 10:8-13蛇說:8But它說什麼? ?The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,? ?這個詞是你附近,它是在你口裡,在你的心,? that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, ?Jesus is Lord,?也就是說,這個詞的信念,我們所傳:如果你承認 9That與你的嘴,?耶穌是主,? and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.並相信在你心中,上帝他提出的從死裡復活,就必得救。 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 10For它是與你的心,你相信,是有道理的,它是與你的嘴,你承認並保存。 11As the Scripture says, ?Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.?12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, ?Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.?” 11As聖經說,?誰相信任何人在他將永遠不會付諸恥辱。?12For沒有區別猶太人和非猶太人?相同的主是上帝保佑所有富饒所有誰請他,13for,?大家誰呼籲耶和華的名稱將被保存。?“

    Now, I believe you said that JESUS (P) claimed to be god.現在,我相信你說,耶穌(規劃)自稱是神。 So far you havent quoted any alleged words of Jesus (P), we just have Paul, who, btw, does not quite say that Jesus (P) is god.到目前為止,你還沒引用任何被指控的話,耶穌(P)的,我們只是保羅,誰,順便說一句,不太說,耶穌(P)是神。

    Finally, I will add that it's quite wrong to refer to Paul as a “snake” and use other similar offensive words.最後,我想補充一點是非常錯誤的,是指保羅為“蛇”,並使用其他類似的攻擊性的話。 We may disagree with Paul, but that can be done in a respectable manner.我們可能不同意保羅,但可以做一個體面的方式。 So I hope that the author of the paper removes the abusive descriptions of Paul.因此,我希望刪除的文件的作者描述了濫用的保羅。

  3. huss gunda says: 胡斯貢達 說:

    “To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law – though not being myself under the law – that I might win those under the law. “要我成為猶太人作為一個猶太人,為了贏得猶太人;那些在法律上我就作為一個在法律上 - 儘管不被自己在法律上 - 我可以贏下的那些法律。 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law – not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ – that I might win those outside the law.” (I Corinthians 9, 20)對於那些在法律之外的我成了一個在法律之外 - 不向上帝,但沒有法律根據法律的基督 - 我可能會贏得那些在法律之外。“(哥林多前書 9,20)

    yeah paul, eat kosher in the morning and then eat pig in the evening.we all know you didn't want to reveal to the people you were targeting that you were under “law of christ.”是的保羅,在早上吃猶太教,然後吃豬在evening.we都知道你不想透露你的人,你是定位在“法律基督。”

  1. [...] While Islam does not have any notion of a taqiyyah except in the minds of those who whale about it, in Christianity we can find an interesting example of how one can resort to taqiyyah. [...]雖然伊斯蘭教沒有任何概念的taqiyyah只有在頭腦中那些關於誰是鯨魚,在基督教中我們可以找到一個有趣的例子,可以訴諸 taqiyyah。 Namely, the example of Paul of Tarsus, who was not only a scheming imposter, but a hypocrite and a false prophet.也就是說,例如保羅的大數,誰是騙子不僅是一個詭計多端,但偽君子和假先知。 Such is the taqiyyah resorted to by this man that he said thus: “But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I caught you with guile.” (2 Corinthians 12:16) [...]這就是taqiyyah採取由這名男子說,他這樣說:“但無論是這樣,我不負擔你:不過是狡猾的,我看見你的詭計。”(林後 12:16)[...]

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