Wir lasen den folgenden Unterricht des sogenannten „Apostels“ vom Tarsus, Paul, geschrieben in seine Episteln, wie folgt: Wenn möglich, soweit es von Ihnen abhängt, seien Sie am Frieden mit allen Männern. Nehmen Sie nie Ihre eigene Rache, geliebten, aber Urlaubraum für den Zorn des Gottes, denn es wird geschrieben, „Vengeance ist meins, ich zurückerstattet.“ (Romans 12:18 - 19) Anders, das unterrichtet, welcher Paul geschrieben hatte, ist: Tragen Sie mit einander und verzeihen Sie, was Beschwerden Sie gegen eine andere haben können. Verzeihen Sie, wie der Lord Ihnen verzieh. (Spalte 3:13) Eine Zusammenfassung der oben notierten Aussagen durch Paul: Wir lassen zu, daß diese alle schöner Unterricht sind. Die Frage jetzt ist jedoch tat Paul selbst setzen Sie diese sehr der gleiche Unterricht von seinem in Effekt? Während es so geschieht, bitten wir, um uns zu unterscheiden! Hypokrisie Pauls deckte auf Wir lasen innen Taten das: Und nach einigen Tagen sagte Paul zu Barnabas, „lassen Sie uns Rückhol und besuchen Sie die Bruder in jeder Stadt, in der wir das Wort des Lords proklamierten, und sehen Sie, wie sie sind.“ Und Barnabas war vom Nehmen von John in dem Wunsch, auch benannt Mark, zusammen mit ihnen. Aber Paul hielt, zu beharren, daß sie nicht nehmen sollten ihn entlang, wem hatte sie in Pamphylia verlassen und hatte nicht zu ihnen zur Arbeit gehört. Und entstanden solch ein scharfer Widerspruch, den sie von einem anderer trennten, und Barnabas nahm Markierung mit ihm und segelte weg nach Zypern. (Taten 15:36 - 40) Es ist frei, daß Paul und Barnabas einen scharfen Widerspruch und eine neuere zerteilte Firma wegen dieses gleichen Widerspruchs gehabt hatten. So war Paul nicht folgend, was er gepredigt hatte, nämlich zu „… seien Sie am Frieden mit allen Männern“ (Romans 12:18). Wir beobachten auch, daß Paul John (angerufen Mark) für das Verlassen er und Barnabas nicht bei Pamphylia (Taten 15:38) und entgegengesetzt Barnabas' Plan zum Nehmen John mit ihm verziehen hatte. Anscheinend hatte Paul Amnesia hinsichtlich seines Unterrichts, „verzeihen Sie, was Beschwerden Sie gegen eine andere haben können. Verzeihen Sie, wie der Lord verzieh Ihnen“ (Spalte 3:13). So warum nicht verzieh Paul John für ihn früh verlassen? Further, regarding revenge, this snake taught that “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19) but yet Paul himself took his revenge against John (called Mark) by refusing to take him in the journey. So again we ask, why did Paul seek his revenge against John when he had clearly forbidden this? He is no doubt a clear-cut hypocrite, through and through! On a related sidenote, this snake also has used Jesus’(P) name in his teachings when in reality it is not originally from Jesus(P), but from his own concoction. For example, in 1 Corinthians 15:6, Paul taught that the resurrected Christ had appeared to over five hundred breathren at one time but this episode is not available in the Gospels. Another proof is in Acts 20:35, whereby Paul cites, “remember the words of the Lord Jesus how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive”. This citation is certainly not from Jesus(P) because nowhere in the Gospels is this quote to be found and attributed to Jesus(P). This same snake has also urged all the Jews amongst the Gentiles to forsake Moses(P), he told them not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs (Acts 21:21), this goes against what Jesus(P) himself taught. But sadly, the Christian missionaries and Christians in general have taken this hypocrite as their “apostle” and they generally behave like him as well. Conclusions It is very clear from the above exposition that Paul was a hypocrite, and hence, how could the Christian missionaries expect Muslims to accept this snake as a legitimate “follower” of the Messiah Jesus(P), the son of Mary? Paul clearly told others to make peace but he himself did not practice what he had preached when he had a sharp disagreement with Barnabas and they parted company (Acts 15). This totally contradicts what he had earlier taught, namely “be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18) and “forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” (Col. 3:13) He had also taken his revenge upon John (called Mark) because John had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work, as recorded in Acts 15, even though he told the Romans, “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19). It seem that it was Barnabas who was more religious than Paul because he did not take his revenge upon John. Which leads us to the question: And only God knows best.
If Paul himself has failed to follow what he had taught, would he indeed follow what Jesus(P) had taught?
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Michael Turpin said on 30 November 2005:
Tera Tak Adamar, You surely don’t like Paul for some reason. But I need to correct you on some points you made about Paul. Yes he did have a argument over Mark, but no where does it say that he didn’t forgive him. In 2Timothy 4:9-13 Paul states: 9Do your best to come to me quickly, 10for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. 11Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry. 12I sent Tychicus to Ephesus. 13When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments. You can read it for yourself Paul here is at the end of his life and he is asking for Mark, and not only asking for him but praises him to,and it’s in the bible for all time. And your other points of disageement, I don’t have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. You can believe it or not about what Paul claims to have happen or said, that’s not the Question. The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ’s claims of being God Almighty in the flesh. You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us). And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
We will never know all things until we stand before our Righteous God, but one thing I do know is that Jesus is my reason for living and He gives me assurance that I am saved from my sins and hope someday that you can know the same fact in your life.
In His Love
Michael
danny said on 2 December 2005:
Turpin, the main problem I have with your reply is that it is based on a shaky source. Whether you agree with the arguments or not, the fact is that according to the scholarly concensus, Paul is not the author of 2 Timothy (or of 1 Timothy and Titus). Although the writings claim to have been authored by Paul, scholars are reasonably certain that Paul is not their author.
Therefore, we can view the statement in 2 Timothy as the product of later Christians who desired to smooth the conflict between Paul and others.
Now, relying sole upon the undoutedly authentic Pauline writings, there is no indication within them that Paul forgave Mark and others. On the contrary, Paul comes out as an arrogant individual who believes that only he is right and that he is the boss. Thus, as long as Paul is the boss its alright, and he reacts angrily as soon as his authority is questioned. Later writings, such as Acts, try to salvage the image of Paul by smoothing the sharp conflicts we encounter in Paul’s own writings.
Turpin, you write:
“And your other points of disageement, I don?t have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”
There is almost universal agreement among scholars that the whole of chapter 21 was added to the gospel of John by an unknown redactor after the unknown author completed the gospel. Who is this “beloved disciple”? John is not the author of this gospel, it’s an anonymous book.
You also write:
“The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ?s claims of being God Almighty in the flesh.”
I think there is no such statement made by Jesus (P) which is found within the gospels.
You proceed:
“You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us).”
This is weak argument. Can you tell us what Ishmael means?
Moving on:
“And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say? ?The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,? that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, ?Jesus is Lord,? and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, ?Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.?12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, ?Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.?”
Now, I believe you said that JESUS (P) claimed to be god. So far you havent quoted any alleged words of Jesus (P), we just have Paul, who, btw, does not quite say that Jesus (P) is god.
Finally, I will add that it’s quite wrong to refer to Paul as a “snake” and use other similar offensive words. We may disagree with Paul, but that can be done in a respectable manner. So I hope that the author of the paper removes the abusive descriptions of Paul.
Bismika Alllahuma » Whaling A Taqiyyah said on 22 April 2006:
[...] While Islam does not have any notion of a taqiyyah except in the minds of those who whale about it, in Christianity we can find an interesting example of how one can resort to taqiyyah. Namely, the example of Paul of Tarsus, who was not only a scheming imposter, but a hypocrite and a false prophet. Such is the taqiyyah resorted to by this man that he said thus: “But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I caught you with guile.” (2 Corinthians 12:16) [...]
huss gunda said on 22 April 2006:
“To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law - though not being myself under the law - that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law - not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ - that I might win those outside the law.” (I Corinthians 9, 20)
yeah paul, eat kosher in the morning and then eat pig in the evening.we all know you didn’t want to reveal to the people you were targeting that you were under “law of christ.”