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		<title>By: Quazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I was reading bible and came up with this chapter - Ezekiel 23. A chapter of (un)holy Bible where god is describing about two whore. Some of the verses are as below - 

1. The word of the LORD came to me
3. They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their BREASTS were fondled and their VIRGIN bosoms caressed.
7. She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after
8. She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her. 
10. They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword.
16. As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea.
17. Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her.
20. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
25 I (god) will direct my (god's) jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire.

Now tell me what is holy about this (un)holy bible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="KonaFilter">Well, I was reading bible and came up with this chapter - Ezekiel 23. A chapter of (un)holy Bible where god is describing about two whore. Some of the verses are as below - </p>
<p>1. The word of the LORD came to me<br />
3. They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their BREASTS were fondled and their VIRGIN bosoms caressed.<br />
7. She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after<br />
8. She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.<br />
10. They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword.<br />
16. As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea.<br />
17. Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her.<br />
20. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.<br />
25 I (god) will direct my (god&#8217;s) jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire.</p>
<p>Now tell me what is holy about this (un)holy bible?</span></p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple things...

the dates of birth and death look wrong.

Also, the date of His Crucifiixion is known: the fifth of Nissan. Therefore there could not have been an eclipse: the Jews voraciously fought the Christians and tried to explain-away the darkness that occured after Jesus's Crucifixion as an eclipse...only to be miserably embarrassed upon the easy defeat of this argument.

Pagans also tried to explain it as an eclipse...again, only to be easily embarrassed. It's the Jews and Christians alike that recorded the date of Crucifixion, one to attack Jesus, the other to honor Him. An eclipse is impossible on the Fifth of Nissan, at Passover.

There are a few Bibles which read "eclipse", however they typically follow a text which  puts "eclipse" in Greek which has editors who admit there is no basis for the reading. Text-Critics of all kinds have questioned this: you can't choose a reading because it's a "harder reading" when the "reading" doesn't exist. If I were wanting to REALLY argue I could just wait until someone actually makes the mistake of using one of these versions: then simply post the comments by the "scholars" of the Greek text explaining they have no witness or basis for the reading. 

Further, why don't you try reading Zechariah 12:10. "And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born."

That's God speaking by the way...a long time before Jesus came-forth from Mary's womb. And remember, the Jews are the Keeper of the Book (your title), so do you claim they are no longer? Even Jews choke on that passage, majorly: just like they did with parts of the book of Daniel which they called "cursed" and forbid their own selves to read them for so long.

And I have seen Muslims claim they corrupted the book, but then did they corrupt this passage to support the Christians? I've seen them try to not translate this only to be held accountable by Jews themselves and non-jews alike: and I checked the Hebrew. It's quite telling. :-)

And if, as you claim, God preserves His Word-that given by His prophets, that of His prophets, then obviously according to this (and it's a Muslim Teaching) you would also include, because of your beliefs, the Q'ran. Yet then you claim that the New Testament (and for your note "covenant" is more exact in English than "testament") "was" Christ's words, but that it was corrupted...and you teach the same of the Old Covenant (testament) yet acknowledge that the Jews are God's keepers...but if He let His Word be corrupted in those books, why then can you claim that He protects it and did so in the Q'ran? Would he not preserve all His word when in the writings He says "my thoughts from generation to generation".

And you might claim "the Q'ran is newer, a restoration of sorts", but then He says "stand by the ways and see and ask for the OLD paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you shall find rest for your souls. But they said, 'We will not walk [in it]'. (Jer 6:16)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">A couple things&#8230;</p>
<p>the dates of birth and death look wrong.</p>
<p>Also, the date of His Crucifiixion is known: the fifth of Nissan. Therefore there could not have been an eclipse: the Jews voraciously fought the Christians and tried to explain-away the darkness that occured after Jesus&#8217;s Crucifixion as an eclipse&#8230;only to be miserably embarrassed upon the easy defeat of this argument.</p>
<p>Pagans also tried to explain it as an eclipse&#8230;again, only to be easily embarrassed. It&#8217;s the Jews and Christians alike that recorded the date of Crucifixion, one to attack Jesus, the other to honor Him. An eclipse is impossible on the Fifth of Nissan, at Passover.</p>
<p>There are a few Bibles which read &#8220;eclipse&#8221;, however they typically follow a text which  puts &#8220;eclipse&#8221; in Greek which has editors who admit there is no basis for the reading. Text-Critics of all kinds have questioned this: you can&#8217;t choose a reading because it&#8217;s a &#8220;harder reading&#8221; when the &#8220;reading&#8221; doesn&#8217;t exist. If I were wanting to REALLY argue I could just wait until someone actually makes the mistake of using one of these versions: then simply post the comments by the &#8220;scholars&#8221; of the Greek text explaining they have no witness or basis for the reading. </p>
<p>Further, why don&#8217;t you try reading Zechariah 12:10. &#8220;And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first-born.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s God speaking by the way&#8230;a long time before Jesus came-forth from Mary&#8217;s womb. And remember, the Jews are the Keeper of the Book (your title), so do you claim they are no longer? Even Jews choke on that passage, majorly: just like they did with parts of the book of Daniel which they called &#8220;cursed&#8221; and forbid their own selves to read them for so long.</p>
<p>And I have seen Muslims claim they corrupted the book, but then did they corrupt this passage to support the Christians? I&#8217;ve seen them try to not translate this only to be held accountable by Jews themselves and non-jews alike: and I checked the Hebrew. It&#8217;s quite telling. :-)</p>
<p>And if, as you claim, God preserves His Word-that given by His prophets, that of His prophets, then obviously according to this (and it&#8217;s a Muslim Teaching) you would also include, because of your beliefs, the Q&#8217;ran. Yet then you claim that the New Testament (and for your note &#8220;covenant&#8221; is more exact in English than &#8220;testament&#8221;) &#8220;was&#8221; Christ&#8217;s words, but that it was corrupted&#8230;and you teach the same of the Old Covenant (testament) yet acknowledge that the Jews are God&#8217;s keepers&#8230;but if He let His Word be corrupted in those books, why then can you claim that He protects it and did so in the Q&#8217;ran? Would he not preserve all His word when in the writings He says &#8220;my thoughts from generation to generation&#8221;.</p>
<p>And you might claim &#8220;the Q&#8217;ran is newer, a restoration of sorts&#8221;, but then He says &#8220;stand by the ways and see and ask for the OLD paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and you shall find rest for your souls. But they said, &#8216;We will not walk [in it]&#8216;. (Jer 6:16)</span></p>
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		<title>By: non</title>
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		<dc:creator>non</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the above post 'In Love with Christ'.
Your whole religion is an assumption. Your New Testament of various contradictory books assume much. A Prophet is NOT God! No Prophet EVER claimed to be God!
Your hatred of the truth blinds you from comprehending such simple facts.

Moses came waaaaay before Jesus.
Abraham came waaaaay before Jesus &#38; Moses.
Noah came waaaaay before Jesus &#38; Moses &#38; Abraham.

ALL WERE PROPHETS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">To the above post &#8216;In Love with Christ&#8217;.<br />
Your whole religion is an assumption. Your New Testament of various contradictory books assume much. A Prophet is NOT God! No Prophet EVER claimed to be God!<br />
Your hatred of the truth blinds you from comprehending such simple facts.</p>
<p>Moses came waaaaay before Jesus.<br />
Abraham came waaaaay before Jesus &amp; Moses.<br />
Noah came waaaaay before Jesus &amp; Moses &amp; Abraham.</p>
<p>ALL WERE PROPHETS.</span></p>
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		<title>By: In Love with Christ</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Love with Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Christ was not born on 0 AD

This is an assumptioon on your part. 

The Bible never says he died 33AD - you are using assumptions to base your arguments.

Rather than give you the answers, I would suggest that you at least research a bit more extensivley with regards to the undelying assupmtions first. It seems you like to research, so I will leave it to you to do. And yes, Jesus (God) does know best.

Let me ask you this.... If you call Him a Prophet, tehn why not believe all He said. Especially the parts about Him claimimng to be God and to being the Son of God. Becasue a Prophet speaks for God, and God cannot lie... So therefore how can He be lying. 

Plus HE came waaaaay before mohommed, who was a pagan worshipping illiterate pesant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Jesus Christ was not born on 0 AD</p>
<p>This is an assumptioon on your part. </p>
<p>The Bible never says he died 33AD - you are using assumptions to base your arguments.</p>
<p>Rather than give you the answers, I would suggest that you at least research a bit more extensivley with regards to the undelying assupmtions first. It seems you like to research, so I will leave it to you to do. And yes, Jesus (God) does know best.</p>
<p>Let me ask you this&#8230;. If you call Him a Prophet, tehn why not believe all He said. Especially the parts about Him claimimng to be God and to being the Son of God. Becasue a Prophet speaks for God, and God cannot lie&#8230; So therefore how can He be lying. </p>
<p>Plus HE came waaaaay before mohommed, who was a pagan worshipping illiterate pesant.</span></p>
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		<title>By: david misango</title>
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		<dc:creator>david misango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprise surprise!!!A Muslim using Kaffir time to dispute Christianity!One would have thought that the only correct time scale is Allah's Anno Hijrah?!

On a serious note; is it impossible for God to cause a certain geographical region to be in darkness while the rest of the Earth is in sunshine?

I read that Allah helped Mohammed to SPLIT THE MOON INTO TWO.Let the keen writer give us NASA's dates for when this event happened.We will then beleive in Allah and his prophet Mohammed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Surprise surprise!!!A Muslim using Kaffir time to dispute Christianity!One would have thought that the only correct time scale is Allah&#8217;s Anno Hijrah?!</p>
<p>On a serious note; is it impossible for God to cause a certain geographical region to be in darkness while the rest of the Earth is in sunshine?</p>
<p>I read that Allah helped Mohammed to SPLIT THE MOON INTO TWO.Let the keen writer give us NASA&#8217;s dates for when this event happened.We will then beleive in Allah and his prophet Mohammed.</span></p>
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