Comments on: The Invalidity of the Crucifixion of Jesus As An Atonement of Sin http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-invalidity-of-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-as-an-atonement-of-sin/ The purpose of this website is to facilitate Muslim responses to the various mendacious polemics and distortions of Islam by the Christian missionaries and their anti-Islamic allies that are being spread over the Internet. Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:56:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: ipiphinizion http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-invalidity-of-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-as-an-atonement-of-sin/#comment-32140 ipiphinizion Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:42:00 +0000 http://localhost/bismika/?p=122#comment-32140 Sadly Christians have been extorted and bribed into a system that they will ultimately pay for with their souls....Jerimiah warned of this very thing - and if Christians were not so terrified of being denied access to the Father - (G-d NOT Jesus) they would be able to read the Hebrew Bible and see the multiple warnings and prophecies AGAINST Jesus specifically. The Messiach -and the age that is to be triggered by his presence is one of peace and harmony - of compassion and stewardship of this planet - yet in the Christian domination of this world war bloodshed and destruction of the planet has reigned - just as Jesus explicity said he was here to do- the accounting that will be made to G-d will be very difficult when He asks you as a Christian - why did you worship another BUT ME? I said I AND I ALONE!!! am your only G-D! I sent no other - I AM WHO I AM ! - not we not me and my son - JUST I- I urge Christians to remove the scales from their eyes and read - carefully and openly and look for the TRUTH that is hidden yet revealed- prophecies about Jesus are there all right - but is not what you have been mislead to believe - they are warnings against him - for all shall kneel before G-d and He shall be named ONE!!! I fear for mankind and I fear for the misleads souls and I FEAR G-d and love his laws and Word - may G-d bless all who read this and may the TRUTH whisper in your ear and may you turn to G-d with your whole heart mind and soul ....AMN..... Sadly Christians have been extorted and bribed into a system that they will ultimately pay for with their souls….Jerimiah warned of this very thing - and if Christians were not so terrified of being denied access to the Father - (G-d NOT Jesus) they would be able to read the Hebrew Bible and see the multiple warnings and prophecies AGAINST Jesus specifically. The Messiach -and the age that is to be triggered by his presence is one of peace and harmony - of compassion and stewardship of this planet - yet in the Christian domination of this world war bloodshed and destruction of the planet has reigned - just as Jesus explicity said he was here to do- the accounting that will be made to G-d will be very difficult when He asks you as a Christian - why did you worship another BUT ME? I said I AND I ALONE!!! am your only G-D! I sent no other - I AM WHO I AM ! - not we not me and my son - JUST I- I urge Christians to remove the scales from their eyes and read - carefully and openly and look for the TRUTH that is hidden yet revealed- prophecies about Jesus are there all right - but is not what you have been mislead to believe - they are warnings against him - for all shall kneel before G-d and He shall be named ONE!!!
I fear for mankind and I fear for the misleads souls and I FEAR G-d and love his laws and Word - may G-d bless all who read this and may the TRUTH whisper in your ear and may you turn to G-d with your whole heart mind and soul ….AMN…..

]]> By: Jason http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-invalidity-of-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-as-an-atonement-of-sin/#comment-31639 Jason Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:59:23 +0000 http://localhost/bismika/?p=122#comment-31639 Anytime that the Bible is read in a wooden literal sense, you will find these kinds of problems. What kind of God is God? He is 100% holy, perfect, and without fault. How can humans (who fell due to sin) ever even come close to being on par with God and restoring communion with Him with what we have available to us? What God stipulated is a long series of regulations and requirements in order to *only rollback sin for one year!* The Old Testament Law is God's way of saying to the Jews, "You want to be my people? Then here's what I demand." The Law clearly demonstrated to everyone that there's no way we can do this on our own. That's why a perfect, sinless sacrifice was sent by God on our behalf. The Law was fulfilled in every way by Christ's life and death. One reason God forbid human sacrifice is because He knew that human nature was to kill for our own benefit (are you radical Muslims reading this?) Jews would be killing their own offspring if they thought it would please God (much like Islamic suicide bombers strapping pipe bombs to their six-year old daughters and sending them towards the American soldiers by the corner). That brings me to my final thought: Instead of critiquing another religion's "apparent contradictions", perhaps you should address your own religion's hatemongering. Muhammad started out fine and respected the "People of the Book" but ended his life wallowing in blood. Quite a stark contrast to how Christ ended his life. Which side adds up when you stand back and look at the two "principal figures" objectively? Muhammad attacked caravans, slaughtered entire tribes, and killed those that were critical of him while Christ preached "turn the other cheek," "Oh Jeruslam...how often I wanted to gather you under my wing like a hen gathers her chicks, but you were not willing," and "Blessed are the peacemakers." The most violence Christ ever committed was overturning the moneychangers' tables in the Temple. He certainly never asked Peter to go assassinate someone who was jeering at Him from afar -- unlike your Prophet. In the end, once again, it is Islam with more answering to do. Anytime that the Bible is read in a wooden literal sense, you will find these kinds of problems. What kind of God is God? He is 100% holy, perfect, and without fault. How can humans (who fell due to sin) ever even come close to being on par with God and restoring communion with Him with what we have available to us? What God stipulated is a long series of regulations and requirements in order to *only rollback sin for one year!*

The Old Testament Law is God’s way of saying to the Jews, “You want to be my people? Then here’s what I demand.” The Law clearly demonstrated to everyone that there’s no way we can do this on our own. That’s why a perfect, sinless sacrifice was sent by God on our behalf.

The Law was fulfilled in every way by Christ’s life and death. One reason God forbid human sacrifice is because He knew that human nature was to kill for our own benefit (are you radical Muslims reading this?) Jews would be killing their own offspring if they thought it would please God (much like Islamic suicide bombers strapping pipe bombs to their six-year old daughters and sending them towards the American soldiers by the corner).

That brings me to my final thought: Instead of critiquing another religion’s “apparent contradictions”, perhaps you should address your own religion’s hatemongering. Muhammad started out fine and respected the “People of the Book” but ended his life wallowing in blood. Quite a stark contrast to how Christ ended his life. Which side adds up when you stand back and look at the two “principal figures” objectively? Muhammad attacked caravans, slaughtered entire tribes, and killed those that were critical of him while Christ preached “turn the other cheek,” “Oh Jeruslam…how often I wanted to gather you under my wing like a hen gathers her chicks, but you were not willing,” and “Blessed are the peacemakers.” The most violence Christ ever committed was overturning the moneychangers’ tables in the Temple. He certainly never asked Peter to go assassinate someone who was jeering at Him from afar — unlike your Prophet.

In the end, once again, it is Islam with more answering to do.

]]> By: david misango http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-invalidity-of-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-as-an-atonement-of-sin/#comment-17830 david misango Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:25:25 +0000 http://localhost/bismika/?p=122#comment-17830 It seems surprising that the people/nation through whom Jesus came (Jews) should "find" most objections to his vicarious sacrifice on the cross.Indeed, the "stone that the buildres rejected has become the corner stone", even by their own submission - millions have been "misled" into beleiving this lie. Why, should a Jew accept vicarious sacrifise from animals and reject Christianity as a teaching?Is it not obvious that the old testament sacrifices were a shadow of the real sacrifice to come in Christ's atoning death? Why would a Holy God ask Abraham to sacrifise his own son- as a test- if that was so wrong (according to the writer of the article)? Yom kippur verses peshach; atonement verses the pass-over of the angel-of-death.A lamb died for the people of Moses to be freed from the angel-of-death's sting, during the time of Pharaoh in Egypt.What is so wrong with Christians applying this to mean Jesus' dying so that we may have eternal life? Did the Yom Kippur goat (scape goat) suffer death? It seems surprising that the people/nation through whom Jesus came (Jews) should “find” most objections to his vicarious sacrifice on the cross.Indeed, the “stone that the buildres rejected has become the corner stone”, even by their own submission - millions have been “misled” into beleiving this lie.

Why, should a Jew accept vicarious sacrifise from animals and reject Christianity as a teaching?Is it not obvious that the old testament sacrifices were a shadow of the real sacrifice to come in Christ’s atoning death? Why would a Holy God ask Abraham to sacrifise his own son- as a test- if that was so wrong (according to the writer of the article)?

Yom kippur verses peshach; atonement verses the pass-over of the angel-of-death.A lamb died for the people of Moses to be freed from the angel-of-death’s sting, during the time of Pharaoh in Egypt.What is so wrong with Christians applying this to mean Jesus’ dying so that we may have eternal life? Did the Yom Kippur goat (scape goat) suffer death?

]]> By: shery http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/the-invalidity-of-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-as-an-atonement-of-sin/#comment-3536 shery Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:32:26 +0000 http://localhost/bismika/?p=122#comment-3536 A biblical sacrifice requires that their be no cuts or bruises on the animal that is being sacrificed. Jesus according to the bible its self was beaten badly before he was crucified. A biblical sacrifice requires that their be no cuts or bruises on the animal that is being sacrificed. Jesus according to the bible its self was beaten badly before he was crucified.

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