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	<description>The purpose of this website is to facilitate Muslim responses to the various mendacious polemics and distortions of Islam by the Christian missionaries and their anti-Islamic allies that are being spread over the Internet.</description>
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		<title>By: P. Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32271</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, my friend, is not my point. While I cannot speak directly for Mr. Wood, I am horribly 'offended' (how loosely do we use that term ;) ) that you would put all Christians under an umbrella like the author has done here. To clarify, you just said that if I wanted to be taken sincerely I would have to distance myself from Mr. Wood's comments... excuse me if I'm wrong, but if I'm here to 'defend' Mr. Wood, why would I distance myself from him?

As to Ashar's comment, I would gladly agree. Christianity is different and against human nature. The very idea that God would love totally depraved creatures so much that He would take on their likeness, and die in one of the worst ways ever known to man to save them, is totally unique. That's part of what sets Christianity apart from every single religion on earth, including Islam. As to your premise, that is absolutely out of context. The Bible also has laws for things like that. Try reading the Old Testament for starters. 

                                     In Christ, Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="KonaFilter">That, my friend, is not my point. While I cannot speak directly for Mr. Wood, I am horribly &#8216;offended&#8217; (how loosely do we use that term ;) ) that you would put all Christians under an umbrella like the author has done here. To clarify, you just said that if I wanted to be taken sincerely I would have to distance myself from Mr. Wood&#8217;s comments&#8230; excuse me if I&#8217;m wrong, but if I&#8217;m here to &#8216;defend&#8217; Mr. Wood, why would I distance myself from him?</p>
<p>As to Ashar&#8217;s comment, I would gladly agree. Christianity is different and against human nature. The very idea that God would love totally depraved creatures so much that He would take on their likeness, and die in one of the worst ways ever known to man to save them, is totally unique. That&#8217;s part of what sets Christianity apart from every single religion on earth, including Islam. As to your premise, that is absolutely out of context. The Bible also has laws for things like that. Try reading the Old Testament for starters. </p>
<p>                                     In Christ, Philip</span></p>
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		<title>By: Ashar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am working with a christian missionary organization since last 10 years. I have never felt for a single moment that i should consider this eligion as a true religion. I am Muslim, but after joining this organization, thanks to Allah, that my beleif on Islam has become firm. Jesus says, if some one slaps on your one cheak, turn the other towards him to slap on that as well, if some one takes your coat from you, offer him the shirt too. I ask, if i go to any christians house and kidnape his doughter for sex, will he follow me with his other doughter to offer???????? never possible coz its against nature of man. So, christianity for me, is totally against nature</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="KonaFilter">I am working with a christian missionary organization since last 10 years. I have never felt for a single moment that i should consider this eligion as a true religion. I am Muslim, but after joining this organization, thanks to Allah, that my beleif on Islam has become firm. Jesus says, if some one slaps on your one cheak, turn the other towards him to slap on that as well, if some one takes your coat from you, offer him the shirt too. I ask, if i go to any christians house and kidnape his doughter for sex, will he follow me with his other doughter to offer???????? never possible coz its against nature of man. So, christianity for me, is totally against nature</span></p>
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		<title>By: islamispeace</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32150</link>
		<dc:creator>islamispeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your whole premise, my dear Philip, is absurd.  You made a comment here criticizing the author of this article for using certain words to refer to the missionary David Wood, when what you should have done, if you wanted to be taken seriously, was distance yourself from Wood's comments.  You will notice that in my initial response to you, I did not refer to Jesus_follower specifically (except when referring to the administrator's comments) but to Christians who use insulting ways to preach to Muslims.  You have refused to distance yourself from these missionaries (are they following the Biblical way of preaching??).  That is enough for me to conclude that you are not interested in dialog and discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="KonaFilter">Your whole premise, my dear Philip, is absurd.  You made a comment here criticizing the author of this article for using certain words to refer to the missionary David Wood, when what you should have done, if you wanted to be taken seriously, was distance yourself from Wood&#8217;s comments.  You will notice that in my initial response to you, I did not refer to Jesus_follower specifically (except when referring to the administrator&#8217;s comments) but to Christians who use insulting ways to preach to Muslims.  You have refused to distance yourself from these missionaries (are they following the Biblical way of preaching??).  That is enough for me to conclude that you are not interested in dialog and discussion.</span></p>
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		<title>By: P. Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32145</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I used the arguement that you should be responsible for all muslim comments to show you how absurd it would be if I had to answer for Jesus follower. Apparently you didn't catch that, so i reiterated that here. Secondly, if you pay attention to the Bible you will see that missionaries aren't a secondary group inside Christianity, all Christians are called to be missionaries somewhere. So to try to single these people out under that guise is absurd.

Sincerely, Philip Spencer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="KonaFilter">First of all, I used the arguement that you should be responsible for all muslim comments to show you how absurd it would be if I had to answer for Jesus follower. Apparently you didn&#8217;t catch that, so i reiterated that here. Secondly, if you pay attention to the Bible you will see that missionaries aren&#8217;t a secondary group inside Christianity, all Christians are called to be missionaries somewhere. So to try to single these people out under that guise is absurd.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Philip Spencer</span></p>
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		<title>By: islamispeace</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32109</link>
		<dc:creator>islamispeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wood's little article assumes many things.  He not only insults the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but accuses Muslims of "hiding" his version of the "truth" about him.  In other words, he believes Muslims are deceiving not only themselves but the whole world.  Does this not register as an insult to 1.5 billion Muslims, in your mind?  You do not distance yourself from these comments but you insist that Muslims apologize for the words used by some Muslim apologists, even though those words are directed at the lying missionaries, not Christians in general?  

You say that Jesus-Follower's comments are his own, and therefore, you cannot be held responsible and neither can other Christians, yet you insist that I as well as other Muslims be held responsible for the comments made by other Muslims AND associate Islam with them as well.  I think any reasonable person can see the hypocrisy in that.

My experience has taught me that many people will project themselves as being respectful and willing to learn about Islam, but their beliefs and intentions are quite the opposite.  Jesus-follower is an example.  In the above posts, he projects himself as some innocent guy who just wants dialogue with Muslims, but if you are familiar with his previous posts, you would know that that is just a smoke-screen, that he is not interested in dialogue, but to attack and defame Islam and Muslims.  Now, I am not accusing you of being deceptive in your intentions, but I found it quite odd that you are insistent on Muslims "watching their tongue" so to speak, yet you do not say the same about your fellow Christians.  If you had done that, I guarantee you that I would not have responded with suspicion and criticism.  I am not angry at you, just disappointed.  As I have made clear in many of my posts, I do not defame or attack Christianity or Christians in general, but when it comes to individuals who resort to bigotry and lies, I have no sympathy or respect.  

Peace be upon you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Mr. Wood&#8217;s little article assumes many things.  He not only insults the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but accuses Muslims of &#8220;hiding&#8221; his version of the &#8220;truth&#8221; about him.  In other words, he believes Muslims are deceiving not only themselves but the whole world.  Does this not register as an insult to 1.5 billion Muslims, in your mind?  You do not distance yourself from these comments but you insist that Muslims apologize for the words used by some Muslim apologists, even though those words are directed at the lying missionaries, not Christians in general?  </p>
<p>You say that Jesus-Follower&#8217;s comments are his own, and therefore, you cannot be held responsible and neither can other Christians, yet you insist that I as well as other Muslims be held responsible for the comments made by other Muslims AND associate Islam with them as well.  I think any reasonable person can see the hypocrisy in that.</p>
<p>My experience has taught me that many people will project themselves as being respectful and willing to learn about Islam, but their beliefs and intentions are quite the opposite.  Jesus-follower is an example.  In the above posts, he projects himself as some innocent guy who just wants dialogue with Muslims, but if you are familiar with his previous posts, you would know that that is just a smoke-screen, that he is not interested in dialogue, but to attack and defame Islam and Muslims.  Now, I am not accusing you of being deceptive in your intentions, but I found it quite odd that you are insistent on Muslims &#8220;watching their tongue&#8221; so to speak, yet you do not say the same about your fellow Christians.  If you had done that, I guarantee you that I would not have responded with suspicion and criticism.  I am not angry at you, just disappointed.  As I have made clear in many of my posts, I do not defame or attack Christianity or Christians in general, but when it comes to individuals who resort to bigotry and lies, I have no sympathy or respect.  </p>
<p>Peace be upon you.</span></p>
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		<title>By: P. Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32106</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are side-stepping around my point. In the excerpt that is posted on this site, the only two terms he used were robber and murderer. He also puts out proof to support his argument, and while I don't mind if you correct his argument and defend Muhammads hypothetical honor, you have used those two terms to open a flood gate of insults against Mr. Wood himself. What does that say about Islam? Does he call you a misguided, disillusioned, moron for believing in Islam? As to Jesus Follower's comments, I thought we had already established that I cannot take responsibility for those. He will have to defend his own honor. I am asking you to debate with ME, not Jesus Follower. The fallacy behind that is clear. We can both point out people on both sides of the proverbial line, and say that they are 'biased' or overly aggressive in the terms they use when accusing individuals or suggesting things about them. But we would get nowhere. The more I debate with you, it seems like you get more aggressive in your name calling and accusations. What does that say about Islam? My bias is not what needs to be questioned here, its yours. After reading the debate between you and Jesus Follower and spending time talking to you, I begin to see that no matter the level of respect I maintain when talking to you, this might just degenerate into a one sided barrage of insults and little hacks and cuts like those displayed in your previous posts and the posts of the administrator. Again, what does that say about your religion?  Are you assuming an air of superiority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">You are side-stepping around my point. In the excerpt that is posted on this site, the only two terms he used were robber and murderer. He also puts out proof to support his argument, and while I don&#8217;t mind if you correct his argument and defend Muhammads hypothetical honor, you have used those two terms to open a flood gate of insults against Mr. Wood himself. What does that say about Islam? Does he call you a misguided, disillusioned, moron for believing in Islam? As to Jesus Follower&#8217;s comments, I thought we had already established that I cannot take responsibility for those. He will have to defend his own honor. I am asking you to debate with ME, not Jesus Follower. The fallacy behind that is clear. We can both point out people on both sides of the proverbial line, and say that they are &#8216;biased&#8217; or overly aggressive in the terms they use when accusing individuals or suggesting things about them. But we would get nowhere. The more I debate with you, it seems like you get more aggressive in your name calling and accusations. What does that say about Islam? My bias is not what needs to be questioned here, its yours. After reading the debate between you and Jesus Follower and spending time talking to you, I begin to see that no matter the level of respect I maintain when talking to you, this might just degenerate into a one sided barrage of insults and little hacks and cuts like those displayed in your previous posts and the posts of the administrator. Again, what does that say about your religion?  Are you assuming an air of superiority?</span></p>
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		<title>By: islamispeace</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32103</link>
		<dc:creator>islamispeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, of course, your bias blinds you from condemning "Mr. Wood" for his offensive remarks against the blessed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but you cry foul when a Muslim responds to such garbage by referring to that moron's arguments as "Christian nonsense."  If you were not so biased, you would have condemned his ridiculous statements and distanced yourself from them, but alas, you failed to do that and have done your faith and your brethren who do not resort to such bigotry a great disservice.  

Concerning the Crusades and the Inquisition, if you are referring to my comment to Jesus-follower, perhaps you don't realize that it was he who accused Islam of being responsible for the murders of many people, simply because the people who were responsible claimed to be Muslims.  My response to this absurd statement was that people claiming to be Christians have done terrible things too, like the Crusades and Inquisition, and of course the Rwanda genocide.  Read the whole statement before you make absurd allegations.  I was not the one who accused Christianity of doing horrible things.  It was your "brother" who resorted to such idiotic statements.  And of course, in typical fashion, you failed to condemn that as well.  Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Yeah, of course, your bias blinds you from condemning &#8220;Mr. Wood&#8221; for his offensive remarks against the blessed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but you cry foul when a Muslim responds to such garbage by referring to that moron&#8217;s arguments as &#8220;Christian nonsense.&#8221;  If you were not so biased, you would have condemned his ridiculous statements and distanced yourself from them, but alas, you failed to do that and have done your faith and your brethren who do not resort to such bigotry a great disservice.  </p>
<p>Concerning the Crusades and the Inquisition, if you are referring to my comment to Jesus-follower, perhaps you don&#8217;t realize that it was he who accused Islam of being responsible for the murders of many people, simply because the people who were responsible claimed to be Muslims.  My response to this absurd statement was that people claiming to be Christians have done terrible things too, like the Crusades and Inquisition, and of course the Rwanda genocide.  Read the whole statement before you make absurd allegations.  I was not the one who accused Christianity of doing horrible things.  It was your &#8220;brother&#8221; who resorted to such idiotic statements.  And of course, in typical fashion, you failed to condemn that as well.  Bravo!</span></p>
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		<title>By: P. Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32101</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive me, but besides robber and murderer, I see no other names,good or bad, Mr. Wood uses for Muhammad. May I ask one more question, why do you always point to the Crusades and the Inquisition? Do you know the actual history behind the Crusades? Also, if we have to take responsibility for all of our factions, Catholic 'extremists' per say, then why don't you have to take responsibility for muslim extremists? Couldn't I just point back to 9/11 and all of the bombings everywhere and use that as a way to say that Islam is a violent religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Please forgive me, but besides robber and murderer, I see no other names,good or bad, Mr. Wood uses for Muhammad. May I ask one more question, why do you always point to the Crusades and the Inquisition? Do you know the actual history behind the Crusades? Also, if we have to take responsibility for all of our factions, Catholic &#8216;extremists&#8217; per say, then why don&#8217;t you have to take responsibility for muslim extremists? Couldn&#8217;t I just point back to 9/11 and all of the bombings everywhere and use that as a way to say that Islam is a violent religion?</span></p>
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		<title>By: islamispeace</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32084</link>
		<dc:creator>islamispeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please.  Do we have to tell you that Muslims do not regard the New Testament as the authentic words of Jesus (pbuh)?  According to Islam, Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity.  Period.  

Concerning your "brother", you should know that this is not the only topic he posted on.  He has posted elsewhere, and it was already clear from his rhetoric that he was a self-absorbed, nasty person.  That was not "emotion and sheer disdain" lol.

I should tell you that I have many Christian friends, so I do not regard Christians as "hate-mongers", although there are many.  What struck me as odd about your initial response was that you were pointing the finger at Muslims for using what you call "defamatory names" but you did not condemn the language used by the missionary which this article dealt with, especially since it is supposedly not in line with the way a Christian should act.  My point is that you should condemn your brethren for using "defamatory names" regarding Islam and Muslims, before you criticize Muslims for responding to such trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Oh please.  Do we have to tell you that Muslims do not regard the New Testament as the authentic words of Jesus (pbuh)?  According to Islam, Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity.  Period.  </p>
<p>Concerning your &#8220;brother&#8221;, you should know that this is not the only topic he posted on.  He has posted elsewhere, and it was already clear from his rhetoric that he was a self-absorbed, nasty person.  That was not &#8220;emotion and sheer disdain&#8221; lol.</p>
<p>I should tell you that I have many Christian friends, so I do not regard Christians as &#8220;hate-mongers&#8221;, although there are many.  What struck me as odd about your initial response was that you were pointing the finger at Muslims for using what you call &#8220;defamatory names&#8221; but you did not condemn the language used by the missionary which this article dealt with, especially since it is supposedly not in line with the way a Christian should act.  My point is that you should condemn your brethren for using &#8220;defamatory names&#8221; regarding Islam and Muslims, before you criticize Muslims for responding to such trash.</span></p>
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		<title>By: P. Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/wood-chopped-down/#comment-32077</link>
		<dc:creator>P. Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my absence. Are you telling me that Jesus did not believe in the Trinity as God's true state? all over the New Testament, Jesus refers to God the Father and the Holy Spirit,and including him,all three different aspects of one God. Jesus also refers to Himself as "I Am', the same name God the Father uses in the Old Testament. Also, in the adminstrator's comment between posts 20 and 21, he refers to Jesus as "a half-naked roman criminal swinging from a cross." I for one, consider this offensive,and while I am not going to slander Muslims, because Jesus himself has required that we love those who hate us, I do believe that any casual observer may find this argument a bit lopsided due to your adminstration's and this website's constant attempts to humiliate the real Faith (Christianity) and paint Believers (Christians) in general as hate-mongers. As for my assumed brother's posts earlier, I cannot accept responsibility for those because I didn't say that,and yes he should of rephrased those, but he obviously didn't start it and was reacting out of emotion and sheer disdain. In Christ and with respect. [ I am not going to continue that childs game ;)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Forgive my absence. Are you telling me that Jesus did not believe in the Trinity as God&#8217;s true state? all over the New Testament, Jesus refers to God the Father and the Holy Spirit,and including him,all three different aspects of one God. Jesus also refers to Himself as &#8220;I Am&#8217;, the same name God the Father uses in the Old Testament. Also, in the adminstrator&#8217;s comment between posts 20 and 21, he refers to Jesus as &#8220;a half-naked roman criminal swinging from a cross.&#8221; I for one, consider this offensive,and while I am not going to slander Muslims, because Jesus himself has required that we love those who hate us, I do believe that any casual observer may find this argument a bit lopsided due to your adminstration&#8217;s and this website&#8217;s constant attempts to humiliate the real Faith (Christianity) and paint Believers (Christians) in general as hate-mongers. As for my assumed brother&#8217;s posts earlier, I cannot accept responsibility for those because I didn&#8217;t say that,and yes he should of rephrased those, but he obviously didn&#8217;t start it and was reacting out of emotion and sheer disdain. In Christ and with respect. [ I am not going to continue that childs game ;)]</span></p>
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