No problem at all…

Can you bring me the proof that Mohamed is a prophet?

Esme

1.Can you bring US the Passage where Jesus says I am God.

2.Can you bring US the verse where Jesus said God is three in One.

3.Can you bring US the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

“How can eternal fire be any kind of divine punishment that one should fear? You cannot be burned for eternity. Your body only offers a given and finite amount of fuel for fire. Eventually there will be nothing left to burn.”(Denis Giron)

What a ridiculous argument, Giron seems to forget that hell is the punishment of God and God can do anything. He forgets that muslims believe God is all powerful and can do what he likes, this includes burning people for eternity in hell. God explains in the quran in the following way:

“Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (Holy Qur’an Surah 4 verse 56)

So basically if you believe in an almighty and powerful God then such punishments are not far fetched or impossible. However, if you’re an athiest then you will believe such punishments to be impossible. Girons whole argument against the islamic concept of hell stands on one belief, the belief that God doesn’t exist. Giron fails to realise that if God truly does exist then such punishments are not impossible at all. I think Mr Giron will find that his arguments will only work the day he proves God doesn’t exist.

Was it Paul, a Jewish pharisee (?), a heretic (?), an agent-provacteur for the Rome in leading to Jesus being persecuted (but not curcified because Iscariot was the betrayer and he was put on the cross)

Christianity vs Islaam is really about Trinity vs TAWHEED

Muslims, if you are bothered by constant Christian’s harrassing your thoughts and intending to pull you into their folds (like is warned in the Quran that Jews and Christians will not be satisified until you become astray, not necessarily converting to Christian but becoming apostate)

Then please try to stop for a while reading discussions (Internet) where these kuffars tell lies and deceive your mind. Instead, search for videos, audios, etc from the like of Allahyarham Ahmad Deedat, the wonderful speech of Syeikh Khalid Yasin, and mykuliah.com collections.

We need to debunk Christianity the way Ahmad Deedat did it lillahitaala.

Just show me where Jesus say “Iam God Almighty” thats all. Dont go to read assumptions and interpretantions and other meanings. Dont forget that being Jesus god is a the very first and the most basic teaching of Christianity, and i wonder how Jesus failed to make ONE only ONE statement that he is God,,,indeed very weird! and not only that..Just show me where Jesus taught Trinity, the word “RINITY”ever uteerd from the lips of Jesus?? Did Jesus said to the jews that for example…”Jews from now on your God is a triune god? No!! Jesus said Your God is one God..why didnt he say your God is 3 in 1 or 1 in 3?? Jesus never claimed that he is God.. so we have:

1) Christianity claims that Jesus is God, but Jesus never said that he is God and never teached that

2) Christianity claims that God is Triune, but Jesus never said that God is Triune and never teached that……let us accept that Jesus said that He is God(he didnt for sure) and God is Triune(he didnt for sure) then most certainly he faild to teach and elaborate for Christians or the jews in that times about these issues.

I am more than willing to visit islamicboard.com or islamlife.com. Have you already started a thread in one of those forums? If so, e-mail me the url - denisgiron1978@yahoo.com -. If not, start a thread at your leisure and I will take part, after you e-mail me the URL.

Regarding the claim that Sina and I are “lovers,” my point is that a lack of evidence does not make the claim false. The truth or falsity of a claim (any claim, including claims which we may find offensive) depends solely on whether it reflects reality. So if Tariq says “Denis and Sina are lovers” and I respond “Tariq is a liar,” in no way did I prove the claim false (even though it is false). That was my point: a claim (such as “Denis and Sina are lovers” or “Muhammad burned books”) may be false, and it may lack evidence, but declaring it to be false and pointing to the lack of evidence does not demonstrate its falsity.

Now, regarding my name being “Denis Giron,” yes, I could provide proof by furnishing such things as my New York state identification, my passport, my birth certificate, et cetera, but did I actually do that? No. I have not. My point was that I have provided zero evidence that this is my name, but the lack of evidence does not make the claim false. That was my point.

Regarding proving a negative, I agree that is ridiculous. If you said “Denis Giron burned books,” it would be hard for me to think of a way to prove that claim false. Nonetheless, me yelling that you’re a “liar” would not prove it false. This is a simple point about logic. My point was that Nadir overstepped his bounds a bit. What he should have done was note that, thus far, Dr. Sina provided zero evidence, and left it at that (and I would have agreed with him). But Nadir took it further, and claimed that by calling Dr. Sina a liar, he had actually demonstrated the falsity of the claim.

Now again, I agree that in the case of the claim that Muhammad “burned books,” the burden of proof is on Dr. Sina. I also have said that I, personally, do not believe Dr. Sina’s claim is true. And furthermore I have noted that Dr. Sina has yet to provide any evidence. Nonetheless, my point was a simple point of logic: even if Dr. Sina’s claim is false, Nadir yelling “liar” is not a sufficient demonstration of such. Mind you, I’m not claiming it is Nadir’s job to prove it false, but Nadir did claim that he proved it false by calling Dr. Sina a liar, when in reality that only shows that Nadir had a poor sense of what constitutes “proof”.

If anyone on the FFI forum thinks I have proven Sina’s claim about book-burning true, then they are badly mistaken. I was unable to find any posts via the FFI search option in which posters were claiming such, but if you provide me with such a thread, I am more than willing to go on record and clarify my position in that thread.

Anyway, if you do start a thread in one of the above-mentioned forums, e-mail me the URL. I look forward to further discussion with you on this subject and others.

The forum at islamicboard.com or islamlife.com would be fine

“That being said, your claim about Sina and me being lovers is not necessarily false just because you provided no evidence”
actually it is. if it isnt then u too ARE lovers. i made the claim so i have to prove it u dont have to prove me wrong. if within a reasonable amount of time i cant, then u can safely consider me a liar.

“(the fact that it is potentially insulting is not going to make me suddenly turn my back on this fact of logic).”
Insulting? arent u a free minded person? wots wrong with a person in love with another person? anyways plz read wot i said again:

“IF I was to use the same logic as Mr. Giron, I CAN easily say that Sina and Giron are lovers! I give no proof of that so that means im wrong? ”

And plz read this part again:
“of course u can make a similar claim against me, but it wont work. Why? because I BELIEVE THAT A PERSON IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND as you and sina have implyed”

I, in other words, i dont believe u to be a lover of sina, but if we WERE to follow ur logic, i could claim u to be and be happy and contented that i was right. it wouldnt matter that i presented no evidence and never will because i cant as i was wrong

“For a less-abusive example, I have provided zero evidence that my real name is Denis Giron - do you believe, therefore, that I am lying?”
Your name is something which IS THERE. i mean it exists. it is something which can be proven. u can prove ur name by showing a valid passport etc i can prove u wrong by maybe stealing ur passport, or showing YOUR own comment on the internet where u contradict urself.
But wot about the burning of the books? lets suppose it didnt happen, so can i prove something WHICH ISNT THERE NOT TO BE THERE???!!!
suppose i come up to u and tell u i HAVE a ferrari. u tell me that i need to prove it to u. so wot so i do? i show it to u along with the necessary papers proving the owners identity.
But suppose I DONT HAVE A FERRARI? But u claim i have one. and u tell me that i have to PROVE SOMETHING THAT I DONT HAVE??!!
wot can i do? NOT SHOW U A FERRARI? thats crazy.
Ur analogy was false. sina says something happend in history(book burning), but it didnt happen, so how do i prove him wrong? by not showing him historical sources? HE has to prove himself right. tell me one thing, y did sina say that Prophet Muhammad(P) burned books? i mean there has got to be a reason right? knowledge does not come from inside u have to LEARN it, specially wen it comes to an event which happened centuries before sinas grand father was even born.
i think u would agree with me that knowledge wouldnt come from inside. and ali sina seems to have knowledge of some book burning. where did he get this knowledge from? thats all Nadir Ahmads asking . till now(how much time has passed) ali sina didnt cite us the source of his knowledge so it wouldnt take a rocket scientist to conclude that sina is a liar( in my last comment i provided u with a link that PROVES sina a liar, or atleast ignorant. sina claimed that the alexandria library was burned down by muslims. now this event is something which really HAPPENED so it can be proven as to who did it.)

“I never claimed that Dr. Sina’s claim has been proven true.”
i know but if u go to the FFI forum you’ll see that many of his supporters are linking to ur article as a defense for sinas lie. they believe that u have proven tht sina is right!! so i request that u either write a note on the article that you havent proven sina right or remove this section. apperantly not all humans have critical thinking skills to understand that u havent proven sina right.

” No where have I claimed a person is guilty until proven innocent. You have misunderstood me…”
i know u didnt cliam this. but wot about all the islamophobes out there? all they want is an article against muslims, does not matter wot the content. and u misunderstood me on the lover issue.

First, to DoctorMaybe, I admit that was pretty funny, but not very substantive, much less relevant.

To Skipman, you absolutely have my persmission to repost what I wrote (though, could you e-mail me the URL of the thread you start - denisgiron1978@yahoo.com - as I’d like to see the responses of others).

To Tariq, this is not relevant, as you well know, so perhaps it is better if you e-mail me, or if you e-mail me the URL of a forum thread where you’d like to discuss it… That being said, your claim about Sina and me being lovers is not necessarily false just because you provided no evidence (the fact that it is potentially insulting is not going to make me suddenly turn my back on this fact of logic). For a less-abusive example, I have provided zero evidence that my real name is Denis Giron - do you believe, therefore, that I am lying? And in no way has it been proven that Sina and I are lovers. There is a difference between saying that a statement has yet to be proven false, on the one hand, and saying that it is true on the other. I never claimed that Dr. Sina’s claim has been proven true. No where have I claimed a person is guilty until proven innocent. You have misunderstood me…

Finally, to Adeel, I think you’ve misunderstood what I am about. I’m not a Christian. Nonetheless, what is this about speaking in a foreign tongue on Paltalk? Are you challenging me to utter a sentence in a language other than English over Paltalk? I can do that if you’d like, but not because I’m a “true believer”…