A Counter-Challenge to Sam Shamoun and the Christian Missionaries阿反挑战萨姆萨姆和基督教传教士

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Saturday 27 May, 2006星期六2006年5月27日

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Recently Sam Shamoun, a well-known belligerent and provocative Christian missionary at Answering萨姆萨姆最近,一个著名的好战和挑衅性的基督教传教士在回答 Islam 伊斯兰教 , issued发行 a “challenge” to Muslims to prove that一个“挑战”穆斯林的证明 Jesus耶稣 (peace be upon him) did not claim to be God, as per the Qur'anic statement. (愿他)并没有声称自己是上帝,按声明的古兰经。 His challenge is two-fold:他的挑战是两个方面:

(1) Challenging Muslims to show where in the Qur'an Jesus says he is not God or not the Son of God. (1)具有挑战性的穆斯林在那里显示古兰经耶稣说,他是不是上帝或不是神的儿子。

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(2) to bring the Aramaic phrase where Jesus disavows his claim to divinity. (2)使阿拉姆语耶稣disavows他声称神。

It is obvious, however, that his demands are as preposterous as they are stupid.这是显而易见的,然而,他的要求是荒谬的,因为它们是为愚蠢。 The Qur'an certainly当然古兰经 quotes报价 or paraphrases Jesus as saying that he is not God.或释义耶稣的话说,他不是神。 1 and the Qur'an denies that he is a Son of God和古兰经否认他是神的儿子 2 2 , but in Arabic. ,但在阿拉伯语。 This is because the Qur'an has affirmed itself to be revealed in Arabic text这是因为古兰经已肯定自己透露阿拉伯文字 3 3 , sent down to an Arab prophet, lest its audience uses the excuse that they will not be able to understand the Qur'an if were brought down in a foreign tongue. ,发送到一个阿拉伯先知,以免观众使用的借口,他们将无法理解,如果在外国被带到了古兰经的舌头。

Furthermore, unlike the此外,不同于 Bible圣经 , the Qur'an is not a historical document written over the centuries by numerous scribes who were “inspired” and was later compiled into a book. ,古兰经是不是一个历史文件超过了谁是“灵感”,后来成书编制众多文士世纪写的。 The Qur'an is an Arabic text in nature and has always been in Arabic, therefore there is no need to bring an actual statement.古兰经是自然界阿拉伯文文本和一直以来在阿拉伯国家,因此没有必要把一个实际的发言。 To demand that the words of Jesus (P) be quoted in its original language would be akin to asking an English philosopher to quote the words of为了要求耶稣的话(p)是在其原有的语言将是类似于引述一位英国哲学家,要求引用的话的 Confucius孔子 in his original Chinese language to a totally American audience who does not understand Chinese!在他原来的中文,以一个完全美国观众谁不明白中国!

However, since Sam Shamoun has brought this needless issue up, we would like to issue a counter-challenge to the veracity of his claims.然而,由于萨姆萨姆带来了这个不必要的问题,我们想问题,一反挑战,其申诉的真实性。 Perhaps we might be inclined to accept his premise, and indeed even acknowledge that Jesus is indeed God in the flesh as per the Christian belief, if he and his missionary brethren are able to answer the following question:也许我们可能会倾向于接受他的前提下,甚至连承认耶稣是神在肉身确实按基督教的信仰,如果他和他的教会的弟兄能够回答以下问题:

Show us where precisely, in Aramaic , does Jesus say that he is God or the Son of God as in “more than a man” ?我们展示确切地说, 在阿拉姆语 ,耶稣说,他并不比一个人“上帝或上帝的儿子, ”?

We are not interested in quotations found in Greek, as it is generally accepted that the language Jesus, peace be upon him, spoke was我们不感兴趣,在希腊发现的报价,因为它是普遍接受的语言耶稣,愿他安息,发言,是 Aramaic阿拉姆 . Therefore, it is not unreasonable to demand the exact Aramaic statements from Jesus, peace be upon him, and word-for-word , in inverted commas.因此,它不是不合理的要求准确阿拉姆耶稣从报表 ,平安在他身上,文字的字逗号,在倒置。

Furthermore, we demand that this此外,我们要求这 Aramaic阿拉姆 quote, assuming if one exists, is one which all New Testament scholars deem authentic and agree upon without question, including all the critical scholars.报价,假设如果存在,是所有新约圣经学者认为真正的问题,并同意在没有,包括所有重要的学者。 Moreover, there should be absolutely no controversy whatsover over the interpretation and, of course, the authenticity of this verbatim此外,应在解释绝对没有现存的争议,当然,这种逐字真实性 Aramaic阿拉姆 statement.声明。

If the missionary decides to quote something in Greek, or anything the interpretation of which is disputed or the authenticity of which is disputed, he would fail to meet our challenge.如果传教士决定引述希腊的东西,或什么是有争议的或者是有争议的真实性的解释,他将无法满足我们的挑战。 We want, we repeat, a verbatim我们希望,我们重申,一个逐字 Aramaic阿拉姆 quote, the authenticity and interpretation of which is not at all disputed, where Jesus says categorically “I am God” and where he claims to be the “ the Son of God”, as in “more than a man” .报价的真实性和解释,而这并不是在所有有争议的,耶稣说,断然说:“我是神”,并在那里他自称是“ 上帝的儿子”,如“”超过一人

And only God knows best.而且,只有上帝知道最好的。 bismika tombstone A Counter Challenge to Sam Shamoun and the Christian Missionaries

  1. See Qur'an, 5:116-117 where Jesus is explicitly quoted as follows: “And behold!见古兰经,5:116-117耶稣是明确引述如下:“看哪! Allah will say “O Jesus the son of Mary! 真主会说“啊,耶稣玛利亚的儿子! didst thou say unto men `worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah”? He will say: “Glory to Thee! 复活,你说你们男人`我和我崇拜真主的母亲在为减损神“? 他会说:”荣耀归于你! never could I say what I had no right (to say). 可我从来没有说我没有权利(说)。 Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. 如果我说了,那你确实知道它斜射。 Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. 你知道什么是我的心,虽然我不知道什么是你的。 For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. 因为你晓得全部所有被隐藏。 “Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say to wit `Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things. . “不要说我对他们的守望者除外7:28命令我什么祢机智的人说'我的上帝崇拜真主和你的上帝,而我是一个见证了他们,而我住在他们之间,当你复活,你需要我,废了他们和你是万物的见证 。“。 So basically the missionary has no case since we have here the statement of Jesus (P) who denies being God.所以基本上没有案件的传教士,因为我们这里有耶稣的声明(规划)谁否认自己的神。 Whether the missionary wants to believe that this is a “fictitious account”, that is not our problem.无论是传教士要相信这是一个“虚拟账户”,这不是我们的问题。 Our belief is that the portrayal of Jesus (P) in the New Testament is mostly fictitious , but it is not we who make silly challenges as the Christian missionary is fond of making!我们的信念是,约写照耶稣(P)的新的主要虚构的 ,但它不是我们谁愚蠢的挑战,使基督教传教士为正喜欢! [ [ back背面 ] ]
  2. “Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about which they (vainly) dispute. “这样的(是)耶稣玛丽的儿子:(这是)一个真理声明哪些他们(妄想)争端。 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. 它不是合适(的威严)真主,他应该生一个儿子。 Glory be to Him! 荣耀是他! When He determines a matter He only says to it “Be” and it is.” (Qur'an, 19: 34-35) [ 当他决定了的事,他只是说,它“是”,它是。“(古兰经,19:34-35)[ back背面 ] ]
  3. “A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail; a Qur'an in Arabic for people who understand.” (Qur'an 41:3) [ “一书,下列代表详细解释经文, 一个 人谁知道 在阿拉伯语 古兰经 。”(古兰经41:3)[ back背面 ] ]
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  1. Ahmed says: 艾哈迈德 说:

    This coment is for Denis Giron and Christians that say that it is clear that NT declares Jesus to be god.这是丹尼斯吉龙启闭力矩和基督徒说,很显然,新台币宣布为上帝耶稣。

    Just show me where Jesus say “Iam God Almighty” thats all.你只要给我耶稣说“上帝全能荫”那一切。 Dont go to read assumptions and interpretantions and other meanings.不要去假设和interpretantions阅读和其他的意义。 Dont forget that being Jesus god is a the very first and the most basic teaching of Christianity, and i wonder how Jesus failed to make ONE only ONE statement that he is God,,,indeed very weird!不要忘记,作为耶稣上帝是一个非常第一和基督教最基本的教学,我不知道耶稣没有进行一次只有一个说法,即他是上帝,确实很奇怪! and not only that..Just show me where Jesus taught Trinity, the word “RINITY”ever uteerd from the lips of Jesus??不仅如此..我看看耶稣教导三位一体,单词“RINITY”永远从耶稣的嘴唇uteerd?? Did Jesus said to the jews that for example…”Jews from now on your God is a triune god?耶稣说犹太人,例如...“犹太人从现在开始你的神是三位一体的上帝? No!!没有! Jesus said Your God is one God..why didnt he say your God is 3 in 1 or 1 in 3??耶稣说,你的上帝是一个上帝..为什么剪掉他说你的上帝是在1或1 3 3?? Jesus never claimed that he is God..耶稣从未说过他是神.. so we have:所以我们有:

    1) Christianity claims that Jesus is God, but Jesus never said that he is God and never teached that 1)基督教声称耶稣是神,但耶稣没有说他是神,从来没有告诉我们,

    2) Christianity claims that God is Triune, but Jesus never said that God is Triune and never teached that……let us accept that Jesus said that He is God(he didnt for sure) and God is Triune(he didnt for sure) then most certainly he faild to teach and elaborate for Christians or the jews in that times about these issues. 2)基督教宣称,上帝是三位一体的,但耶稣没有说,上帝是三位一体的,从不告诉我们... ...让我们接受耶稣说,他是神(他肯定剪掉),上帝是三位一体的(他肯定地剪掉),则当然他最faild教和阐述基督徒或犹太人,时代在对这些问题。

  2. Who invented Trinity in the first place – is what baffled us Muslims.谁发明了第一三一 - 是我们穆斯林感到困惑。

    Was it Paul, a Jewish pharisee (?), a heretic (?), an agent-provacteur for the Rome in leading to Jesus being persecuted (but not curcified because Iscariot was the betrayer and he was put on the cross)这是保罗,一个犹太法利赛人(?),异端(?),代理人为罗马provacteur领导耶稣被迫害的(但不curcified因为犹大是叛徒,他在十字架上提出)

    Christianity vs Islaam is really about Trinity vs TAWHEED基督教还是Islaam是真的三位一体比主独一

    Muslims, if you are bothered by constant Christian's harrassing your thoughts and intending to pull you into their folds (like is warned in the Quran that Jews and Christians will not be satisified until you become astray, not necessarily converting to Christian but becoming apostate)穆斯林,如果你是基督徒不断的骚扰你的想法和打算拉你到他们的褶皱困扰(如在可兰经警告说,犹太人和基督徒不会在线北京,直到你成为误入歧途,并不一定转化为基督徒,但成为叛教者)

    Then please try to stop for a while reading discussions (Internet) where these kuffars tell lies and deceive your mind.然后,请尝试停止了一段时间阅读讨论(互联网)在这些谎言和欺骗kuffars告诉你的头脑。 Instead, search for videos, audios, etc from the like of Allahyarham Ahmad Deedat, the wonderful speech of Syeikh Khalid Yasin, and mykuliah.com collections.相反,搜索视频,音频,从Allahyarham艾哈迈德Deedat,对Syeikh哈立德亚辛的精彩演讲,并mykuliah.com喜欢收藏等。

    We need to debunk Christianity the way Ahmad Deedat did it lillahitaala.我们必须揭穿艾哈迈德Deedat基督教的方式做了lillahitaala。

  3. Gajibur Rahman says: Gajibur拉赫曼 说:

    Denis Giron is as brainless as they come.丹尼斯吉龙是愚笨,因为他们来。 I remember his article about the islamic concept of hell and how he believes it is not scientifically sound.我记得他对地狱的伊斯兰概念的文章,以及他如何相信这不是科学的声音。 For example he says it is impossible for someone to burn forever in hell because the fire will soon run out of fuel or things to burn.例如,他说,这是不可能有人永远燃烧在地狱火,因为即将耗尽燃料或燃烧的东西。 If you think i'm making this up then here's the quote:如果你觉得我在这里再作跟进的报价:

    “How can eternal fire be any kind of divine punishment that one should fear? “怎样才能永火的是任何一种神圣的惩罚,一个应该害怕吗? You cannot be burned for eternity.你不能烧永恒。 Your body only offers a given and finite amount of fuel for fire.你的身体只提供给消防和有限数量的燃料。 Eventually there will be nothing left to burn.”(Denis Giron)不过,最终将留给烧什么。“(丹尼斯吉龙)

    What a ridiculous argument, Giron seems to forget that hell is the punishment of God and God can do anything.多么荒谬的论点,吉龙似乎忘记地狱是上帝的惩罚,上帝可以做任何事情。 He forgets that muslims believe God is all powerful and can do what he likes, this includes burning people for eternity in hell.他忘记了穆斯林认为上帝是万能的,可以做他喜欢,这包括在地狱永恒燃烧的人。 God explains in the quran in the following way:神解释了以下方法古兰经:

    “Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (Holy Qur'an Surah 4 verse 56) “谁反对我的迹象,我们将很快扔在火:他们的皮肤经常是烤通过,我们将改变他们对新鲜皮肤,使他们口味的罚款:真主是万能的电力,智慧。”(古兰经经文Surah 4 56)

    So basically if you believe in an almighty and powerful God then such punishments are not far fetched or impossible.所以基本上,如果你在一个强大的全能和神那么这种惩罚相信不远牵强或不可能的。 However, if you're an athiest then you will believe such punishments to be impossible.不过,如果你是一个无神论者,那么你会相信这种处罚是不可能的。 Girons whole argument against the islamic concept of hell stands on one belief, the belief that God doesn't exist.日龙对地狱的说法代表整个伊斯兰概念上的一个信念,相信神不存在。 Giron fails to realise that if God truly does exist then such punishments are not impossible at all.吉龙未能认识到,如果神真的存在那么这种惩罚不是不可能的。 I think Mr Giron will find that his arguments will only work the day he proves God doesn't exist.我想他会发现,吉龙他的论点只工作一天,他证明神不存在。

  4. mansoor 曼苏尔 says: 说:

    OPEN CHALLENGES TO CHRISTIANS对基督徒的公然挑战

    1.Can you bring US the Passage where Jesus says I am God. 1.Can你把美国的通道耶稣说我是神。

    2.Can you bring US the verse where Jesus said God is three in One. 2.Can你把美国的诗句耶稣说上帝是三位一体。

    3.Can you bring US the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures ie fully man and fully God 3.Can您带来美的诗句耶稣声称具有双重性质,即充分和完全的神人

  5. Esme says: 埃斯梅 说:

    1. 1。 Jn 14, 9约翰福音14日,9
    2. 2。 Jn 16, 13-15约翰福音16,13-15
    3. 3。 Mt 26, 63-65山26,63-65

    No problem at all…没有任何问题...

    Can you bring me the proof that Mohamed is a prophet?你能带我的证明,穆罕默德是先知?

    Esme埃斯梅

  6. yusuf says: 优素福 说:

    Those verses basically speak of Jesus saying that his teaching / words he did not originate from himself, but the Father.这些诗句基本上讲说他的教学/话并非源自他自己的耶稣,但父亲。 They dont make him a deity他们不使他成为神

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