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		<title>By: AbuBakr</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/a-history-of-zionism-and-its-ideological-roots/#comment-11509</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuBakr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad person dav - go to school to learn history. Jews &#38; Muslims leaved peacefully in Palestine for a thousand years. Then in 19th century Theodore Herzl wanted whole of Palestine for Zionists. He invented Zionism &#38; the British gave away Palestine to his followers. Muslims had no choice but fight back for their homeland.
See the following real jewish websites and what they say about evil racist zionism.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
www.nkusa.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Sad person dav - go to school to learn history. Jews &amp; Muslims leaved peacefully in Palestine for a thousand years. Then in 19th century Theodore Herzl wanted whole of Palestine for Zionists. He invented Zionism &amp; the British gave away Palestine to his followers. Muslims had no choice but fight back for their homeland.<br />
See the following real jewish websites and what they say about evil racist zionism.<br />
<a href="http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.jewsnotzionists.org');">http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nkusa.org" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.nkusa.org');">http://www.nkusa.org</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: dav</title>
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		<dc:creator>dav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zionism began when Muslims began killing Jews &#38; Christians in the Ottoman Empire. The Muslim conitunued to fight with Nazi Germany by forming the Hanzar Division with help from the Mufti of Jeruseleam. Reason? So that more Jew &#38; Christians can be killed. So that they could not return to their land. Arabs tried hard to exterminate the Jews for centuries but failed. For that the fear Israel as a nation. They try to kill them off before they return to the land. No Muslim want to admit David is the King of Israel. If the do then their cause is lost and they would be  let down for their 'Allah' and 'Prophet'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Zionism began when Muslims began killing Jews &amp; Christians in the Ottoman Empire. The Muslim conitunued to fight with Nazi Germany by forming the Hanzar Division with help from the Mufti of Jeruseleam. Reason? So that more Jew &amp; Christians can be killed. So that they could not return to their land. Arabs tried hard to exterminate the Jews for centuries but failed. For that the fear Israel as a nation. They try to kill them off before they return to the land. No Muslim want to admit David is the King of Israel. If the do then their cause is lost and they would be  let down for their &#8216;Allah&#8217; and &#8216;Prophet&#8217;.</span></p>
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		<title>By: Xman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mohd_shem - I am also sorry that you are a muslim, especially when agreeing with a satan like HeiGou but then justifying the actions of the israeli murdering scum army that loves to kill little babies &#38; children. 

One cannot communicate with HeiGou because he has become imbalanced. His Hatred of Islam has caused him to lose his marbles because all his screws have come loose.

Just read his rambling nonsense above!!!
Ignorant people have been brainwashed to believe that Zionism is 2000 years old.

He cant be bothered to read the Racist Herzls book &#38; wants US to show him exactly where it is.

He believes that encouraging arabs to leave their land is not the same as expelling them.
Does he believe the same about Jews when they were ENCOURAGED to leave their homes by Germany?

He agrees with the Zionazi Leader Ben Gurion saying "I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it.", YET he says that the Palestinians weren't forced to leave!!!!

Like a good Zionazi, Heigoo doesnt believe Zionism to be Racism, unlike the rest of the civilised world!!!

Proving twice that he can neither spell NON SEQUITUR nor understand what it means, Heigoo pretends to be an intellectual in all fields!!!

Like all Zionazis, HeiGou believes that there were no Palestinians and no Palestine. 
He goes on to say the Arab researchers conclusions are worthless. Thats to be expected from the Zionazi Racist Heigou &#38; his ilk.
If only he knew that western Linguists, Historians, Archeologists etc have shown that the Proto Semitic people spoke ARABIC &#38; moved out of Arabia in several waves northwards thousands of years before Abraham.
The idiot HeiGou thinks that the Cananites (Kinahna) spoke HEBREW!!!! The fact is that the Jews learnt the Cananite language then later mixed it with others including Aramaic to produce a new Language called HEBREW!!!

As stated previously, the Arabs didn't arrive in Palestine in the 750's... they moved into Canan THOUSANDS of years before Abraham.

Blind Mr McGoo says that Palestine doesn't appear on any document. What does one expect from an illiterate like him?? If he could read he would have seen the famous ancient Historian Herodotus book written around 500 BCE where he writes about Syria AND Palestine. And even earlier than that, both the Bible and Egyptian records mention Philistia which is the same Palstine.

The Racist Hatemonger HeiGou considers the massacres of Arabs &#38; Muslims to be "TRIVIAL".
He is denying that the Jews have built a Shrine to the Dr. Goldstein who machine gunned muslim worshippers in prayer.

ONE CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON in replying to rants of a person like HeiGou. He has no humanity in him. Just cold blooded, mindless, hatred of Arabs, Muslims and Islam.
DO you think that these answers will have any effect on him?? Will he correct himself?? NOT A CHANCE. He will remain a madman, ranting &#38; raving on various websites, repeating his lies &#38; disinformation.

As for you mohd_shem..... I can only assume that you are totally ignorant of History and the beliefs of Zionists. You put your trust in the Soldiers of Israel thinking that they are protecting Aqsa from the American Fundies. The fact is that Israel &#38; The Fundies help each other. Government spokesman go from Israel to Amerika to get more funds &#38; support from these Evangelical Christians.

Also, Israel DOES plan to destroy the Al Aqsa masjid in order to build the 3rd Temple. They have built the models, purchased the materials and are teaching their future High Priests in Temple Worship. Obviously, they will make it look as if it was an accident or blame the Fundies for it.
They will have an investigation take place over several years and quietly rebuild their own temple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">mohd_shem - I am also sorry that you are a muslim, especially when agreeing with a satan like HeiGou but then justifying the actions of the israeli murdering scum army that loves to kill little babies &amp; children. </p>
<p>One cannot communicate with HeiGou because he has become imbalanced. His Hatred of Islam has caused him to lose his marbles because all his screws have come loose.</p>
<p>Just read his rambling nonsense above!!!<br />
Ignorant people have been brainwashed to believe that Zionism is 2000 years old.</p>
<p>He cant be bothered to read the Racist Herzls book &amp; wants US to show him exactly where it is.</p>
<p>He believes that encouraging arabs to leave their land is not the same as expelling them.<br />
Does he believe the same about Jews when they were ENCOURAGED to leave their homes by Germany?</p>
<p>He agrees with the Zionazi Leader Ben Gurion saying &#8220;I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it.&#8221;, YET he says that the Palestinians weren&#8217;t forced to leave!!!!</p>
<p>Like a good Zionazi, Heigoo doesnt believe Zionism to be Racism, unlike the rest of the civilised world!!!</p>
<p>Proving twice that he can neither spell NON SEQUITUR nor understand what it means, Heigoo pretends to be an intellectual in all fields!!!</p>
<p>Like all Zionazis, HeiGou believes that there were no Palestinians and no Palestine.<br />
He goes on to say the Arab researchers conclusions are worthless. Thats to be expected from the Zionazi Racist Heigou &amp; his ilk.<br />
If only he knew that western Linguists, Historians, Archeologists etc have shown that the Proto Semitic people spoke ARABIC &amp; moved out of Arabia in several waves northwards thousands of years before Abraham.<br />
The idiot HeiGou thinks that the Cananites (Kinahna) spoke HEBREW!!!! The fact is that the Jews learnt the Cananite language then later mixed it with others including Aramaic to produce a new Language called HEBREW!!!</p>
<p>As stated previously, the Arabs didn&#8217;t arrive in Palestine in the 750&#8217;s&#8230; they moved into Canan THOUSANDS of years before Abraham.</p>
<p>Blind Mr McGoo says that Palestine doesn&#8217;t appear on any document. What does one expect from an illiterate like him?? If he could read he would have seen the famous ancient Historian Herodotus book written around 500 BCE where he writes about Syria AND Palestine. And even earlier than that, both the Bible and Egyptian records mention Philistia which is the same Palstine.</p>
<p>The Racist Hatemonger HeiGou considers the massacres of Arabs &amp; Muslims to be &#8220;TRIVIAL&#8221;.<br />
He is denying that the Jews have built a Shrine to the Dr. Goldstein who machine gunned muslim worshippers in prayer.</p>
<p>ONE CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON in replying to rants of a person like HeiGou. He has no humanity in him. Just cold blooded, mindless, hatred of Arabs, Muslims and Islam.<br />
DO you think that these answers will have any effect on him?? Will he correct himself?? NOT A CHANCE. He will remain a madman, ranting &amp; raving on various websites, repeating his lies &amp; disinformation.</p>
<p>As for you mohd_shem&#8230;.. I can only assume that you are totally ignorant of History and the beliefs of Zionists. You put your trust in the Soldiers of Israel thinking that they are protecting Aqsa from the American Fundies. The fact is that Israel &amp; The Fundies help each other. Government spokesman go from Israel to Amerika to get more funds &amp; support from these Evangelical Christians.</p>
<p>Also, Israel DOES plan to destroy the Al Aqsa masjid in order to build the 3rd Temple. They have built the models, purchased the materials and are teaching their future High Priests in Temple Worship. Obviously, they will make it look as if it was an accident or blame the Fundies for it.<br />
They will have an investigation take place over several years and quietly rebuild their own temple.</span></p>
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		<title>By: Darweesh</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/a-history-of-zionism-and-its-ideological-roots/#comment-7627</link>
		<dc:creator>Darweesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom is a must, On Friday where the population of all parts of Palestine meet in al aqsa mosque despite the difficulties they face, but since the receipt of the Sharon government of Israel preventing worshipers from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to attend to perform Friday prayers, diminishing numbers of worshipers, and in some days to prevent the congregation who are under the age of forty praying in alqsa mosque and forcing them to pray at the entrances to the Old City of Jerusalem.

On the 15th of December, the preacher of Al-Aqsa Mosque warned that, there are cracks in the southern wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque result of the excavations carried out by Israeli authorities under the Aqsa Mosque the building of the Islamic Waqf, despite warning of the danger of these excavations, the Israeli authorities preventing the Islamic Waqf from reconstruction of the southern wall

&lt;a href="http://www.palshirts.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free Palestine T-shirts, Free Lebanon T-shirts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Freedom is a must, On Friday where the population of all parts of Palestine meet in al aqsa mosque despite the difficulties they face, but since the receipt of the Sharon government of Israel preventing worshipers from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to attend to perform Friday prayers, diminishing numbers of worshipers, and in some days to prevent the congregation who are under the age of forty praying in alqsa mosque and forcing them to pray at the entrances to the Old City of Jerusalem.</p>
<p>On the 15th of December, the preacher of Al-Aqsa Mosque warned that, there are cracks in the southern wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque result of the excavations carried out by Israeli authorities under the Aqsa Mosque the building of the Islamic Waqf, despite warning of the danger of these excavations, the Israeli authorities preventing the Islamic Waqf from reconstruction of the southern wall</p>
<p><a href="http://www.palshirts.com/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.palshirts.com');">Free Palestine T-shirts, Free Lebanon T-shirts</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: mohd_shem</title>
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		<dc:creator>mohd_shem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 07:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to say, I am a muslim and probably I agree with what HeiGouy have to say about The Israeli army and police protecting the Dome of Rock. yes, it is true that last time The israeli army use to be offesnive to the muslims who pray at the dome of Rock, however these have all change nowadays.It seems right now they're more tolerant than last time. Actually, it is the bloody Christian Zionist Lunatics and Temple Mount faithful jewish fundamentalists who were trying to show propaganda that they're going to destroy the Dome of Rock,so that more muslims will hate the jews who has nothing to do with the intention of destroying the dome of rock. Actually louise Norman, the fact is that the Israeli army are the ones today who are protecting the dome of rock from any attacks or bombing by christian zionist or some temple mount faithful jewish lunatics. What is the main reason they're protecting it ?? easy and simple, they don't want the dome of rock to be destroyed because this will eventually lead to a big war between the arabs and the jews of Israel. Actually, that's what the christian zionist lunatic really want so much. They want to constrcut a war called armagedoon for the rapture of their church and they want to see a new conflict between arabs and jews so 2/3 of jews will be killed in aramgedoon as a prerequiste for the coming fo Christ. Okay, it is a fact that the israelis army did some war crime in Lebanon, but that doesn't mean that all of the armies were evil because many of the Israelis armies are conscript !! They were force to serve the army after they finish their secondary, regardless you're a jewish, christian, muslim or druze...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">Sorry to say, I am a muslim and probably I agree with what HeiGouy have to say about The Israeli army and police protecting the Dome of Rock. yes, it is true that last time The israeli army use to be offesnive to the muslims who pray at the dome of Rock, however these have all change nowadays.It seems right now they&#8217;re more tolerant than last time. Actually, it is the bloody Christian Zionist Lunatics and Temple Mount faithful jewish fundamentalists who were trying to show propaganda that they&#8217;re going to destroy the Dome of Rock,so that more muslims will hate the jews who has nothing to do with the intention of destroying the dome of rock. Actually louise Norman, the fact is that the Israeli army are the ones today who are protecting the dome of rock from any attacks or bombing by christian zionist or some temple mount faithful jewish lunatics. What is the main reason they&#8217;re protecting it ?? easy and simple, they don&#8217;t want the dome of rock to be destroyed because this will eventually lead to a big war between the arabs and the jews of Israel. Actually, that&#8217;s what the christian zionist lunatic really want so much. They want to constrcut a war called armagedoon for the rapture of their church and they want to see a new conflict between arabs and jews so 2/3 of jews will be killed in aramgedoon as a prerequiste for the coming fo Christ. Okay, it is a fact that the israelis army did some war crime in Lebanon, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that all of the armies were evil because many of the Israelis armies are conscript !! They were force to serve the army after they finish their secondary, regardless you&#8217;re a jewish, christian, muslim or druze&#8230;</span></p>
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		<title>By: Louise Norman</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/a-history-of-zionism-and-its-ideological-roots/#comment-7170</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a reaction to your most interesting and challenging comments, I share the following which I discovered recently on the web:

     "Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism" and "It's the Rapture, Stupid"----different Google headlines referring to the same exposure of top Christian Zionist warlords which can be found by going to Google and typing in "Powered by Christ Ministries" and then clicking on "Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism."   (shared by Louise)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">As a reaction to your most interesting and challenging comments, I share the following which I discovered recently on the web:</p>
<p>     &#8220;Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism&#8221; and &#8220;It&#8217;s the Rapture, Stupid&#8221;&#8212;-different Google headlines referring to the same exposure of top Christian Zionist warlords which can be found by going to Google and typing in &#8220;Powered by Christ Ministries&#8221; and then clicking on &#8220;Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism.&#8221;   (shared by Louise)</span></p>
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		<title>By: HeiGou</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/a-history-of-zionism-and-its-ideological-roots/#comment-7139</link>
		<dc:creator>HeiGou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MENJ:"“Tyranny is always weakness”, said James R. Lowell, and tyranny constitutes the fundamental implementations of Zionism. Contrary to common belief, Zionism first emerged as a secular ideology in the 19th century."

That is an interesting quote.  What has it got to do with your argument?  As it happens you have erected a straw man.  No one denies that modern Zionism is a secular nineteenth century ideology.  No one at all.  So what?  Palestinian nationalism dates to about 1967.  Does that mean it is meaningless?

MENJ:"Theodor Herzl’s book Der Judenstat (The Jewish State), clearly stated that a future Jewish state should not build upon democracy, and in fact suggests that it should be built upon dictatorship. This is contrary to the Zionist cries of Israel being “the only democracy in the Middle East”."

And yet I cannot find a reference to that claim even in the website you cite.  Given the habitual lies of pro-Palestinian posters on line would you mind providing a citation to Herzl's book? 

MENJ:"The Zionist desire for the alienation and eventual expulsion of the original inhabitants residing in the land designed for a “Jewish state” is no secret. Earlier in 1895, Theodor Herzl wrote in his Diary that:"

He wrote nothing that even hinted at explusion as your own quote makes clear.  On the contrary he makes it clear Arabs were to be encouraged to migrate, not be expelled.

MENJ:"In 1937, David Ben-Gurion eloquently articulated the Zionist goals regarding population transfer as the following:    With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] ….I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it."

A good quote but the fact that Be-Gurion said it is meaningless.  The question is did he do it.

MENJ:"Such racist sentiment was the norm among the early Zionist leaders, similar statements were constantly repeated by Ben-Gurion and Jabotinsky. Zionism has always been recognized as a form of racism and this is evident when in 1975 the U.N. General Assembly first adopted a resolution equating Zionism with racism. The U.N. adopted that resolution annually until 1991 when the Madrid Accord began."

That is simply a non-sequiter.  Where is the evidence that this sentiment was racist?  Perhaps it was ethnic or religious in motivation.  Simply assigning an opinion to Ben-Gurion does not constitute evidence.  Nor has Zionism always been recognised as racism.  It was by the UN from 1975 to 1991.  A period of how many years?  It was not before and it has not been since.

MENJ:"The above citation is from A. Toynbee, a well-known historian. His criticism of the Zionist theory of returning to Palestine clearly underlined the sentiments of those who clearly see no justification for a Jewish State to be established in Palestine. Palestine has always been recognized as belonging to Palestinians, not to a group of secular terrorists who uses religion as a justification for a State."

Again an interesting non-sequiter.  There is no doubt that Toynbee, like a lot of other British non-Zionists, were not convinced that the Zionists deserved a state.  It does not follow that he recognised Palestine belonged to the Palestinians and in fact given no Palestinians existed at the time, it is unlikely he thought a non-existent people deserved a state.  As for secular terrorists, you mean the PLO?

MENJ:"As a researcher points out:    History tells us that the first people to settle in Palestine were the Canaanites, six thousand years BCE. They were an Arab tribe who came to Palestine from the Arabian Peninsula, and after their arrival, Palestine was named after them [i.e., Canaan]."

An Arab "researcher" whose conclusions are worthless.  The Canaanites were not Arabs but spoke Hebrew as any genuine researcher will tell you.

MENJ:"Hence it is clear that the Jews have no right to the land, whether according to religious law or in terms of who lived there first and possessed the land."

I must have missed the religious law argument, but in any case what is clear is that the Arabs only arrived in 750 or so and so they do not deserve the state either.  They are just the most recent and most successful conquerers.  Big deal.

MENJ:"Despite this, the state of Israel was recognized by the U.N. in 1948 on condition that it accepted the right of the Palestinians to an independent state, and implementation of Security Council Resolution 194 guaranteeing the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes. Over half a century later, these inalienable rights remain unfulfilled."

Well no.  The word "Palestinian" does not appear in any documents at the time because, of course, the Palestinians did not exist: they did not call themselves that and neither did anyone else.  The Israelis did accept the right of the Arabs to an independent state in 1949.  The Arabs did not recognise the right of the Jews to their own state.  So by all means, let's rectify the errors of the past and start with the Arabs accepting Israel's right to exist.  Resolution 194 also does no such thing because it does not recognise the existence of the Palestinians.  It gives the people we now call Palestinians the right to return but only if they are willing to live in peace.  And they are not.  Again acceptance is a two-way street.

MENJ:"Nor did the massacres cease after the establishment of the Jewish State; they continued in times of both peace and war. Following are the names of some of them: Sharafat Massacre, Kibya Massacre, Kafr Qasem Massacre, Al-Sammou’ Massacre, the Sabra And Shatila Massacre, Oyon Qara Massacre, Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre, the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre."

Uh huh.  Most of these are utterly trivial by the standards of the Arab world and so your use of them is clearly propaganda when you do not mention massacres in Syria or Lebanon.

MENJ:"Many leaders of the Zionist terrorist gangs — Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, et al – later became prime ministers of ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’. The ‘most powerful democracy’ in the world - the U.S. - has such a close relationship with the so-called ‘only democracy’ that massive annual handouts are bestowed upon it even while American citizens are denied many of their basic needs."

Indeed they did - once they gave up terror.  Just as Arafat and Nasir did.  Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and no one goes without in the US because of Israeli aid.

MENJ:"Further, these very same Zionists are wasting U.S. taxpayers’ money by advocating and supporting the building of a shrine to a militant Jew, Baruch Goldstein who massacred a group of praying Muslims at a mosque in Hebron, in 1994."

Give a shred of evidence that would even suggest the "Zionists" have spent a cent of American money, or indeed their own, on a "shrine" to Goldstein.  Again this appears to be an internet-based lie.  Although, of course, Palestinians celebrate their own terrorists in this way so it is no surprise for them to assume that Israel does too.

MENJ:"And if taking away their land is not enough to humiliate the Palestinians, the Zionists tried to wipe out the identity of the Palestinians, by pretending that they do not exist as a people and as a nation."

The fact that "Palestinian nationalism" did not exist before about 1967 - and hence there was no people called the Palestinians - is a simple statement of fact.  Palestinians called themselves Arabs and denied any special Palestinian identity until it became politically useful.  Whether or not there is a Palestinian nation now, there was none in 1949 and that is undeniable.

MENJ:"The attacks by the Zionists, whether militarily or by propaganda, prompted several Palestinian resistance groups to be formed against the Zionist regime, which the regime conveniently labels them as “terrorists”. But a distinction must be made between terrorism and the resistance to occupation which international conventions authorize."

I don't see why it should - although such a distinction would mean that Begin et al were not terrorists either.  The PLO is clearly a terrorist organisation because legitimate resistance to occupation hardly applies before 1967 and does not apply at all to people who murder children.
 
MENJ:"Jerusalem is better known to the Muslims by the means of Bayt al-Maqdis (the holy house) or simply al-Quds (the holy); the latter is the most common name at the present. Since 638 A.D. when the second Caliph ‘Umar Al-Khattab liberated the city, Jerusalem had always been ruled by a succession of Muslim rulers."

A little bit of dishonesty there.  Jerusalem was not "liberated".  It was conquered.  And it was ruled by some Christians for a while there.

MENJ:"But of course, the Zionist mind is uncomfortable with the fact that Jerusalem has always been Muslim in history and therefore tries to manipulate Jerusalem’s history."

Jerusalem has not "always been Muslim in history".  It has for a lot of the past 1400 years but not for the 1400 at least before that.

MENJ:"In the past, the Zionists tried to and partially succeeded in burning-down Islam’s third holiest sanctuary, the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque. The nefarious sacrilege was by no means, as the Israeli government then suggested, an isolated act committed by a deranged man who acted on his own."

This is simply a paranoid myth.  There is no evidence that the Israeli government, which can put rockets into outer space and build nuclear weapons, would have the slightest trouble knocking down the Mosque if it wanted to.  But it does not.  The only acts against it have been by lunatics and the Israeli army and police have always protected the Dome.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">MENJ:&#8221;“Tyranny is always weakness”, said James R. Lowell, and tyranny constitutes the fundamental implementations of Zionism. Contrary to common belief, Zionism first emerged as a secular ideology in the 19th century.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an interesting quote.  What has it got to do with your argument?  As it happens you have erected a straw man.  No one denies that modern Zionism is a secular nineteenth century ideology.  No one at all.  So what?  Palestinian nationalism dates to about 1967.  Does that mean it is meaningless?</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Theodor Herzl’s book Der Judenstat (The Jewish State), clearly stated that a future Jewish state should not build upon democracy, and in fact suggests that it should be built upon dictatorship. This is contrary to the Zionist cries of Israel being “the only democracy in the Middle East”.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet I cannot find a reference to that claim even in the website you cite.  Given the habitual lies of pro-Palestinian posters on line would you mind providing a citation to Herzl&#8217;s book? </p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;The Zionist desire for the alienation and eventual expulsion of the original inhabitants residing in the land designed for a “Jewish state” is no secret. Earlier in 1895, Theodor Herzl wrote in his Diary that:&#8221;</p>
<p>He wrote nothing that even hinted at explusion as your own quote makes clear.  On the contrary he makes it clear Arabs were to be encouraged to migrate, not be expelled.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;In 1937, David Ben-Gurion eloquently articulated the Zionist goals regarding population transfer as the following:    With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] ….I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>A good quote but the fact that Be-Gurion said it is meaningless.  The question is did he do it.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Such racist sentiment was the norm among the early Zionist leaders, similar statements were constantly repeated by Ben-Gurion and Jabotinsky. Zionism has always been recognized as a form of racism and this is evident when in 1975 the U.N. General Assembly first adopted a resolution equating Zionism with racism. The U.N. adopted that resolution annually until 1991 when the Madrid Accord began.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is simply a non-sequiter.  Where is the evidence that this sentiment was racist?  Perhaps it was ethnic or religious in motivation.  Simply assigning an opinion to Ben-Gurion does not constitute evidence.  Nor has Zionism always been recognised as racism.  It was by the UN from 1975 to 1991.  A period of how many years?  It was not before and it has not been since.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;The above citation is from A. Toynbee, a well-known historian. His criticism of the Zionist theory of returning to Palestine clearly underlined the sentiments of those who clearly see no justification for a Jewish State to be established in Palestine. Palestine has always been recognized as belonging to Palestinians, not to a group of secular terrorists who uses religion as a justification for a State.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again an interesting non-sequiter.  There is no doubt that Toynbee, like a lot of other British non-Zionists, were not convinced that the Zionists deserved a state.  It does not follow that he recognised Palestine belonged to the Palestinians and in fact given no Palestinians existed at the time, it is unlikely he thought a non-existent people deserved a state.  As for secular terrorists, you mean the PLO?</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;As a researcher points out:    History tells us that the first people to settle in Palestine were the Canaanites, six thousand years BCE. They were an Arab tribe who came to Palestine from the Arabian Peninsula, and after their arrival, Palestine was named after them [i.e., Canaan].&#8221;</p>
<p>An Arab &#8220;researcher&#8221; whose conclusions are worthless.  The Canaanites were not Arabs but spoke Hebrew as any genuine researcher will tell you.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Hence it is clear that the Jews have no right to the land, whether according to religious law or in terms of who lived there first and possessed the land.&#8221;</p>
<p>I must have missed the religious law argument, but in any case what is clear is that the Arabs only arrived in 750 or so and so they do not deserve the state either.  They are just the most recent and most successful conquerers.  Big deal.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Despite this, the state of Israel was recognized by the U.N. in 1948 on condition that it accepted the right of the Palestinians to an independent state, and implementation of Security Council Resolution 194 guaranteeing the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes. Over half a century later, these inalienable rights remain unfulfilled.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well no.  The word &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; does not appear in any documents at the time because, of course, the Palestinians did not exist: they did not call themselves that and neither did anyone else.  The Israelis did accept the right of the Arabs to an independent state in 1949.  The Arabs did not recognise the right of the Jews to their own state.  So by all means, let&#8217;s rectify the errors of the past and start with the Arabs accepting Israel&#8217;s right to exist.  Resolution 194 also does no such thing because it does not recognise the existence of the Palestinians.  It gives the people we now call Palestinians the right to return but only if they are willing to live in peace.  And they are not.  Again acceptance is a two-way street.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Nor did the massacres cease after the establishment of the Jewish State; they continued in times of both peace and war. Following are the names of some of them: Sharafat Massacre, Kibya Massacre, Kafr Qasem Massacre, Al-Sammou’ Massacre, the Sabra And Shatila Massacre, Oyon Qara Massacre, Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre, the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh huh.  Most of these are utterly trivial by the standards of the Arab world and so your use of them is clearly propaganda when you do not mention massacres in Syria or Lebanon.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Many leaders of the Zionist terrorist gangs — Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, et al – later became prime ministers of ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’. The ‘most powerful democracy’ in the world - the U.S. - has such a close relationship with the so-called ‘only democracy’ that massive annual handouts are bestowed upon it even while American citizens are denied many of their basic needs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed they did - once they gave up terror.  Just as Arafat and Nasir did.  Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and no one goes without in the US because of Israeli aid.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Further, these very same Zionists are wasting U.S. taxpayers’ money by advocating and supporting the building of a shrine to a militant Jew, Baruch Goldstein who massacred a group of praying Muslims at a mosque in Hebron, in 1994.&#8221;</p>
<p>Give a shred of evidence that would even suggest the &#8220;Zionists&#8221; have spent a cent of American money, or indeed their own, on a &#8220;shrine&#8221; to Goldstein.  Again this appears to be an internet-based lie.  Although, of course, Palestinians celebrate their own terrorists in this way so it is no surprise for them to assume that Israel does too.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;And if taking away their land is not enough to humiliate the Palestinians, the Zionists tried to wipe out the identity of the Palestinians, by pretending that they do not exist as a people and as a nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that &#8220;Palestinian nationalism&#8221; did not exist before about 1967 - and hence there was no people called the Palestinians - is a simple statement of fact.  Palestinians called themselves Arabs and denied any special Palestinian identity until it became politically useful.  Whether or not there is a Palestinian nation now, there was none in 1949 and that is undeniable.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;The attacks by the Zionists, whether militarily or by propaganda, prompted several Palestinian resistance groups to be formed against the Zionist regime, which the regime conveniently labels them as “terrorists”. But a distinction must be made between terrorism and the resistance to occupation which international conventions authorize.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why it should - although such a distinction would mean that Begin et al were not terrorists either.  The PLO is clearly a terrorist organisation because legitimate resistance to occupation hardly applies before 1967 and does not apply at all to people who murder children.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;Jerusalem is better known to the Muslims by the means of Bayt al-Maqdis (the holy house) or simply al-Quds (the holy); the latter is the most common name at the present. Since 638 A.D. when the second Caliph ‘Umar Al-Khattab liberated the city, Jerusalem had always been ruled by a succession of Muslim rulers.&#8221;</p>
<p>A little bit of dishonesty there.  Jerusalem was not &#8220;liberated&#8221;.  It was conquered.  And it was ruled by some Christians for a while there.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;But of course, the Zionist mind is uncomfortable with the fact that Jerusalem has always been Muslim in history and therefore tries to manipulate Jerusalem’s history.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jerusalem has not &#8220;always been Muslim in history&#8221;.  It has for a lot of the past 1400 years but not for the 1400 at least before that.</p>
<p>MENJ:&#8221;In the past, the Zionists tried to and partially succeeded in burning-down Islam’s third holiest sanctuary, the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque. The nefarious sacrilege was by no means, as the Israeli government then suggested, an isolated act committed by a deranged man who acted on his own.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is simply a paranoid myth.  There is no evidence that the Israeli government, which can put rockets into outer space and build nuclear weapons, would have the slightest trouble knocking down the Mosque if it wanted to.  But it does not.  The only acts against it have been by lunatics and the Israeli army and police have always protected the Dome.</p>
<p>This is pretty lame stuff.</span></p>
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