.I seem to agree with him Allah give taufeeq to those who uses their wisdom.
Facts may remain as facts.
If what MENJ said of Christianity to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words - of “par excellence, of logic and rationality” then the whole world would have been converted by now!
That is why there are few people who receieve Allah guideness because Allah has given them wisdom to think.

Facts may remain as facts. If what MENJ said of Christianity to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words - of “par excellence, of logic and rationality” then the whole world would have been converted by now!

Allah only gives taufeeq and hidayah to certain people who works for it, not for all sorry(as stated in the Al-quran). I wonder what will happen to the world’s economy if everybody convert to Islam (well, with all the alcohol business) hmm…don’t forget about the FREE sex too.

This cracks me up to no end. Yeah, Jesus was just a normal prophet and human being just like all the other prophets. Plenty of other prophets were the result of a virgin birth. What are you thinking? It’s so odd that one the one hand, Islam relegates Jesus to be a mere human being just like Muhammad, and yet, at the same time, it acknowledges that Jesus was born of a virgin birth. How odd. How do Muslims reconcile this strange contradiction in their minds? Did Allah just make Jesus be born of a virgin birth for the heck of it?

If god/ Allah was here to watch this circus, I think he would be more amused than angry on the whole “Vision of The Future” topic and I am glad that he was of “The Walking Past” else he would have had to attend and divert his mind to these superficial arguing or so called debate.

I am, a free thinker. I do not side on any religion but take all as an understanding of hope and morality in which our forefathers have tried so hard to teach us. Some have come to learn this aspect, yet others follow it by word without understanding the whole picture. I belief that both Christianty and Islam are intertwined, yet the people who believe in this have made it more into a slap than a shake of hand.
Who states what is right or wrong?
Who judges the fine lines of intepretation?
Faith is afterall, a belief in a story which won the battle to the pen and paper.

Seeing people go so assertive on their religion makes sad.
1st world technology, 3rd world country.
.We have a long way to go.

But all I can say is that, not everyone who calls themselves a Christian maybe be one. There are also preachers who preach false teachings, whom we believe are used by Satan in our midst just like the serpent.

So whether Jimmy S was one of em, I don’t know.

Reading back, it’s super long man. Well, had a lil bit more to say but I’ve got exams and been online for a little too long.

And do excuse the smileys, I didn’t really take my comment as a “serious” and “professional” comment but from a personal point of view.

Selamat malam!

Thank you for your kind and polite greeting - happiness, peace, wisdom, laughter, joy, and everything good under the sun be with you too! :D

Luke 6:5 - “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath”
Surely you are familiar with the term, Son of Man that refers to Jesus - and Lord of The Sabbath wouldn’t need any explaination since you seem to be a person who’s very familiar with religious terms.

“The Christians unfortunately do not follow the Prophet Eesa’s message to submit to Allah the Almighty and instead chose to worship him, a servant of Allah.

I can copy paste verses from the ‘Bible’ to fortify what I am relaying here but I believe that you and all of the Christians here already have your Bible at hnd and have come across all of the verses where he, the Blessed Prophet Eesa @ Jesus Alaihisalam (May peace be upon him) keeps reminding his people -The Children of Israel-not to worship him but the ‘Father’- Almighty God- Allah Most Merciful Himself.”

Yup, Jesus does remind the people to worship God. But as far as I know, he does not tell people not to worship him because he is not God.

John 9:35-41 (rather long, so.. better not make this comment too long :D )

In another situation stated in Matt 14:32 - 33

And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Again, there was no statement of Jesus rebuking them/ telling them that he was not to be worshipped.

Haha, of course we have our Bible in our hands :) To us it is the Word of God. Written by men, inspired by God :) Of course you can copy and paste verses by Jesus reminding the people to worship God. Do paste some about him telling people not to worship him because he is not God. If Jesus were to tell people “hey don’t worship God, worship me”, that would be another stupid story - IF it happened. We can’t change history, so.. IF would be just for us to dream on about it.

Secondly, no one has the right to forgive sin except God.
I doubt there is a need for me to state verses whereby Jesus forgives the people’s sins.

Well, there’s always an incase right? Luke 6:20-24

Actually you’re not the first to bring this point up. Well, check out this response [http://www.answering-islam.org/Q-A-panel/nowhere.html].

Please do check it out instead of going “This site AGAIN!” but do read it as a reply to your statement that we Christians have “mis-worshipped” Jesus as God. Well, I’m not saying that you will react in that way, but.. if lah.

“If your logic is that Jesus is worthy of worship as ‘the Son of God’ for being borne by a virgin- Siti Mariam - Mother Mary (May peace be upon her), then doesn’t Our Father , the Prophet Adam (may peace be upon him) merit that status more for he had no Father or even a Mother?”

Nope that’s not my logic. But it was simply a reply to your statement
“What’s so hard about realising that anyone who is conceived and born out of a woman is just another being created by the Almighty Allah and not to be worshipped as God?”

A reply only mar, not saying my belief is basically on that. Don’t be so critical la :)

“Christians can be so studious about so many things on Earth and have discovered so many things on their own and from the earlier studies and researches done by the Muslim scholars but still are confused as to the matter of God, being the One and Only Supreme Creator, Cherisher and Sustainer”

Because you see what you believe in as right, you say we are confused. So, we could say the same for us - you are confused that Jesus is a prophet and not God in flesh. Confused is subjected to the person’s point of view.

“What’s so hard to understand that God is the Creator and not ‘conceived’ or ‘created’ either immaculately or otherwise?

Where does it merit the Creator to be born and helpless in a manger or whatever?”
That is what you see in your beliefs. Merit? Who said it was a merit? It was also something that God chose to go against the perception of the Jews that the King that was prophecied about by many prophets in the OT. Everyone thinks a King has to be born in royalty, like how every king is born. And what they thought is that he will free them from the ruling empire of that time, but no.. he was meant to save something more eternal, and more important.

“I know that you are a good God fearing person as well as the rest of the Christian people but please try to see the truth of Eesa’s message to his people the Jews of Israel and be willing to discover your birthright to be a Muslim-one who submits to only God Almighty Himself and that the Prophet and Final Messenger of God to all of Mankind is none other than the Son of Abdullah, Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam, the Mercy of God for all of us.”
Actually I pasted this excerpt to thank you for your nice compliment :)

“If you still can’t accept this , I just can wish you well and may you receive the Light of Revelation from Allah , God Almighty soon or within your lifetime here on Earth. Amin Ya Rabbal Alameen.”
Sorry pal, but I think faith is bigger than a debate and facts.

DoctorMaybe: Let’s face it, true Christians are blind believers.

Facts may remain as facts. If what MENJ said of Christianity to be a blind faith, and Islam in his own words - of “par excellence, of logic and rationality” then the whole world would have been converted by now!

Faith isn’t about logic. God is bigger than our puny lil’ minds. A serpent talking in Genesis, Lazarus being raised from the dead, miracles from God and Jesus in the OT and NT, a talking spider helping Prophet Muhammad and others don’t make sense or doesn’t seem logical either.

In reality, seeing is believing. But in faith, believing is seeing. That is why faith is not easy to have, especially in tough times.

Facts may remain as facts. Jesus walked on the face of the earth, a historical fact. Prophet Muhammad walked on the face of the earth, and built the mosques (and everything in the sejarah textbook that I can remember) and his kerajaan - another historical fact.

The difference however, is a personal encounter with God. Nothing beats that. Oh, except a life with Him :)

“If you still can’t accept this , I just can wish you well and may you receive the Light of Revelation from Allah , God Almighty soon or within your lifetime here on Earth. Amin Ya Rabbal Alameen.”

Thank you so much for your hope and wishes for me, I pray the same for you too!:)

Have a nice day!
(sorry if it’s rather lengthy.)