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	<title>Comments on: Sura al-Fatihah and The Missionary&#8217;s &#8220;Straight Path&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Shadowofears</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/sura-al-fatihah-and-the-missionarys-straight-path/#comment-9381</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadowofears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact I will not hold the Christians responsible for such deceit, but I will hold the holy spirit responsible. Christians claim the holy spirit inspires them, if that is true then the holy spirit is inspiring them to be untruthful, and to be distorters of truth, and to try and make up a lie. And such actions cannot be coming from a holy being, rather such action is inspired by someone called Iblis, who is shaytan, because only shaytan inspires people to make a lie against Allah and his Noble Quran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">In fact I will not hold the Christians responsible for such deceit, but I will hold the holy spirit responsible. Christians claim the holy spirit inspires them, if that is true then the holy spirit is inspiring them to be untruthful, and to be distorters of truth, and to try and make up a lie. And such actions cannot be coming from a holy being, rather such action is inspired by someone called Iblis, who is shaytan, because only shaytan inspires people to make a lie against Allah and his Noble Quran.</span></p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to post a few comments to the original article "Sura al-Fatihah and the Missionary's Straight Path" and the first reply.

First I would like to say that I could not agree more with the article's premise that the Qur'an does not support the doctrines of Christianity in any way.  I can sympathize with the author's irritation at  certain Missionary's attempts at using the Qur'an as a "tool" for converting muslims to Christianity. Indeed, to me it would seem like playing with fire.  I firmly believe that all support and substantiation for the doctrines of Christianity rest firmly in the Bible and nowhere else.  If someone were to come to me with a Bible and try to convert me to Islam using passages from it as text supports, he/she would have a very difficult time indeed, and so I can also sympathize with the author's feelings of contempt for the intelligence of these missionaries.  It does seem a foolhardy thing for them to do.  However, I believe the things they are trying to support; i.e. the doctrine of the Trinity, the doctrine of Christ, and the doctrine of Salvation are not lies as the author claims, but rather truths.  I believe that placing faith in Jesus Christ is the only way for Salvation, and I believe the BIBLE supports this. (John 14:6 and Romans 6:23 are just 2 examples)  I would enjoy discussing with the author further about these doctrines and if he (or anyone else) feels inclined to do so, do not hesitate to contact me at my email address.  I will not go into my doctrinal supports further here but will await an invitation.  However, one can rest assured that I will not be using the Qur'an as a support!  In the end, it all boils down to FAITH.  Christians believe in Jesus Christ and HIS WORD, and the Muslims belive in Muhammed and his teachings.  Which one is the truth?  That's a discussion for another time but one that is of Eternal Significance.

In response to the respondent that "exposed" the contradiction between Jesus, Peter and Paul and the Covenant of Circumcision I say this:  You are opening up a deep subject...one that includes both Judaism and Christianity, and I don't think that you are really up for a discussion on that one.  You say (and rightly so) that Peter and Paul disagreed on the subject...this however does not mean Paul was wrong just because he disagreed with Peter.  Peter was a man, just like all of us and he was not perfect...he made mistakes too...Paul just called him on one of them.  Also, your supporting text where Jesus supposedly affirms the covenant is not a proof text for the covenant. If you actually look at the context of that verse you will see that Jesus had been accused of breaking the Law by healing a man on the Sabbath.  He (Jesus) posed a rebuttal for that by stating that according to the Law (of Moses) one could (and needed to) circumcise a boy if the 8th day fell on the Sabbath.  The arguement was that if it was ok to do the "work" of Circumcision on the Sabbath, was it not also lawful to do the "work" of healing?  This text has nothing to do with the covenant of circumcision...please don't take verses out of context.  I belive that the respondent's goal in this arguement was to show the errancy of the BIBLE and thus render it useless and without authority.  There are many apparent "contradictions" in the Bible, but that is just what they are...apparent.  Not actual.  Again, if the respondent wishes to discuss this further I am open to a dialog.

Thanks for letting me make my comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">I would like to post a few comments to the original article &#8220;Sura al-Fatihah and the Missionary&#8217;s Straight Path&#8221; and the first reply.</p>
<p>First I would like to say that I could not agree more with the article&#8217;s premise that the Qur&#8217;an does not support the doctrines of Christianity in any way.  I can sympathize with the author&#8217;s irritation at  certain Missionary&#8217;s attempts at using the Qur&#8217;an as a &#8220;tool&#8221; for converting muslims to Christianity. Indeed, to me it would seem like playing with fire.  I firmly believe that all support and substantiation for the doctrines of Christianity rest firmly in the Bible and nowhere else.  If someone were to come to me with a Bible and try to convert me to Islam using passages from it as text supports, he/she would have a very difficult time indeed, and so I can also sympathize with the author&#8217;s feelings of contempt for the intelligence of these missionaries.  It does seem a foolhardy thing for them to do.  However, I believe the things they are trying to support; i.e. the doctrine of the Trinity, the doctrine of Christ, and the doctrine of Salvation are not lies as the author claims, but rather truths.  I believe that placing faith in Jesus Christ is the only way for Salvation, and I believe the BIBLE supports this. (John 14:6 and Romans 6:23 are just 2 examples)  I would enjoy discussing with the author further about these doctrines and if he (or anyone else) feels inclined to do so, do not hesitate to contact me at my email address.  I will not go into my doctrinal supports further here but will await an invitation.  However, one can rest assured that I will not be using the Qur&#8217;an as a support!  In the end, it all boils down to FAITH.  Christians believe in Jesus Christ and HIS WORD, and the Muslims belive in Muhammed and his teachings.  Which one is the truth?  That&#8217;s a discussion for another time but one that is of Eternal Significance.</p>
<p>In response to the respondent that &#8220;exposed&#8221; the contradiction between Jesus, Peter and Paul and the Covenant of Circumcision I say this:  You are opening up a deep subject&#8230;one that includes both Judaism and Christianity, and I don&#8217;t think that you are really up for a discussion on that one.  You say (and rightly so) that Peter and Paul disagreed on the subject&#8230;this however does not mean Paul was wrong just because he disagreed with Peter.  Peter was a man, just like all of us and he was not perfect&#8230;he made mistakes too&#8230;Paul just called him on one of them.  Also, your supporting text where Jesus supposedly affirms the covenant is not a proof text for the covenant. If you actually look at the context of that verse you will see that Jesus had been accused of breaking the Law by healing a man on the Sabbath.  He (Jesus) posed a rebuttal for that by stating that according to the Law (of Moses) one could (and needed to) circumcise a boy if the 8th day fell on the Sabbath.  The arguement was that if it was ok to do the &#8220;work&#8221; of Circumcision on the Sabbath, was it not also lawful to do the &#8220;work&#8221; of healing?  This text has nothing to do with the covenant of circumcision&#8230;please don&#8217;t take verses out of context.  I belive that the respondent&#8217;s goal in this arguement was to show the errancy of the BIBLE and thus render it useless and without authority.  There are many apparent &#8220;contradictions&#8221; in the Bible, but that is just what they are&#8230;apparent.  Not actual.  Again, if the respondent wishes to discuss this further I am open to a dialog.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me make my comments.</span></p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/sura-al-fatihah-and-the-missionarys-straight-path/#comment-8558</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Straight Path is described in Surat-al-Fatiha as { The Path of those on whom You have bestowed your grace, not the Path of those who earned your Anger, nor of those that went astray }

And the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) says: Those who earned God's Anger are Jews and those that went astray are Christians.

This hadith is well accepted by all scholars who made consensus upon this explanation of the verse, the eminent scholar Ibn Abi Hatem notes: I am not aware of any disagreement regarding this interpretation.

In conclusion, the Straight Path is not the Path of Jews, nor of Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span name="Konabody">The Straight Path is described in Surat-al-Fatiha as { The Path of those on whom You have bestowed your grace, not the Path of those who earned your Anger, nor of those that went astray }</p>
<p>And the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) says: Those who earned God&#8217;s Anger are Jews and those that went astray are Christians.</p>
<p>This hadith is well accepted by all scholars who made consensus upon this explanation of the verse, the eminent scholar Ibn Abi Hatem notes: I am not aware of any disagreement regarding this interpretation.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the Straight Path is not the Path of Jews, nor of Christians.</span></p>
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		<title>By: Tarek</title>
		<link>http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/sura-al-fatihah-and-the-missionarys-straight-path/#comment-8447</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 01:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is part of the article found here:  http://www.guidetosalvation.com/Website/paul_vs_everbody.htm

When reading the Bible, one of the first things we learn in the book of Genesis is that God made the following covenant with Abraham (pbuh):

Genesis 17:10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.  12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 

We learn from these verses that this covenant was meant to be everlasting.  As we continue reading into the New Testament, we also discover the following:

Luke 2:21And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

So here we see that Jesus (pbuh) was also circumcised, in keeping with the covenant God made with Abraham (pbuh).  And continuing on to the book of John, we also learn:

John 7:22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.

Here Jesus (pbuh) reaffirms the necessity of this covenant.  After making it past the gospels, we come to the books of Paul, but here, things suddenly change:

Galatians 5: 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.  3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.  4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 

Galatians 2: 7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 

Paul now says that circumcision is not necessary.  This causes a problem:  Was this covenant meant to be everlasting?  How can Paul single-handedly end an everlasting covenant from God?  So how did the Apostles take this?  Let us find out: 

Galatians 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood self-condemned; 12for until certain people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But after they came, he drew back and kept himself separate for fear of the circumcision faction. 13And the other Jews joined him in this hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

Galatians 2:14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? 

So, obvious by the above verses, they did not agree with Paul.  So what does Paul do?  He calls them hypocrites and not upright.  These are apostles that were with Jesus (pbuh), and Paul, who never in his life met Jesus (pbuh) is calling them misguided hypocrites.  Keep in mind that Barnabas was the teacher and protector of Paul, peter the rock (Matt 16:18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ) And James the Just.  Regarding James, the following comes from wikipedia:

 

The Gospel of the Hebrews fragment 21 relates the risen Jesus' appearance to James. The Gospel of Thomas (one of the works included in the Nag Hammadi library), saying 12, relates that the disciples asked Jesus, "We are aware that you will depart from us. Who will be our leader?" Jesus said to him, "No matter where you come [from] it is to James the Just that you shall go, for whose sake heaven and earth have come to exist."</description>
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