I think your outburst against Denis is quite unjustified in this instance. He was correct to point out that according to Bin Baz, the ayah “there is no compulsion in religion” has been abrogated. You cannot possibly blame Denis for this. He is not responsible for Bin Baz’s opinion, unless you can prove that Denis caused Bin Baz to regard the ayah abrogated. You are merely shooting the messenger.

You said that, “You desperately hold onto a very small minority of muslims who have a different view regarding that verse.” But this is not what Denis did. He did not argue for the correctness of this view. Let me quote him:

“Now, in no way am I arguing that every other Muslim should agree with Bin Baaz, nor am I trying to portray Islamic exegesis as monolithic.”

So I hope you attempt to read him carefully the next time.

You regard the non-abrogation of this ayah as “a very small minority of muslims who have a different view regarding that verse.” I AGREE WITH THIS.

A small number of scholars, such as Bin Baz and some earlier scholars, deemed this ayah to be abrogated. But according to the scholarly concensus, the ayah is not abrogated. Its ruling stands.

The missionary Shamoun, who is a compulsive liar, claimed that Ibn Kathir regarded this passage to be abrogated. But, as shown, this was a lie.

As with regards to Takiyah, in Sunni Islam that is not taken as a green light to tell lies. Its application is as follows: if someone is about to kill you and says he would not do so if you meet his demand, such as, for example, renounce Islam, then you may do so. God knows your dire circumstance and would not consider this to be a sin. Period. What is “wrong” with this?

Shamoun’s claim in other rantings of his border on the absurd. He cites traditions which permit deception in WARFARE. Yet this is a method followed by ALL armies on this planet. The modern American military, for instance, does everything it can to mislead the enemey and propagate disinformation towards them in order to maintain an upper-hand and defeat them. This is what all armies do. Shamoun would, presumably, have no “problems” with this; it is only that he has “problems” when Muslim armies practice this. Again, this is only applied in war situations, it is no general rule or a permission to lie for whatever reason.

Shamoun’s absurdity is clear because he uses the above to make a broad generalization, suggesting that this “shows” Muslims can tell lies whenever they like. This is a distortion. Islamic teachings are clear about the sin of lying and deception.

Other examples of his downright ridiculous and laughable reasoning are too numerous and too silly to even mention.

I am amazed that such a mentally shallow character, not to mention a vulgar personality, is popular among some extremist Christians. For an organization whose purpose is to introduce “the gospel” to the Muslims, Shamoun is a major embarrassment and makes their job so difficult.

Heri Nurheryawan, The verse “there is no compulsion in religion” is not contradictory in my opinion, as far as i know it has nothing to do with prayers or fasting. The verse is saying no one can be forced into the islamic religion.

Not only that. If anything, it is Sunni Imams and “‘Aalims” that are the Biggest Practicers of “Taqiyya”. How many times have you heard a Sunni ‘Aalim praising their Corrupt and Immoral Leaders, in contrast to Shi’ite ones???

Some of You asked for some Shi’ite Material about
“Taqiyya”…..Here you go:

http://www.answering-ansar.org...../chap4.php

See also:

The Creed of Shi’a Explained, with a special Chapter on “Taqiyya”.

http://www.answering-ansar.org...../chap1.php

It’s REAL definition from the Quran, and the Sunnah, and the people who practiced it throughout the Ages. Take stories from ACTUAL Shi’ites, not from ignorant, ranting bashers like the Author, and the ignorant, lackies and their juvenile rants

here’s some real reading with proofs, better than the Wahhabi, Petro-Dollar Horse$hit Propaganda this Pseudo-Pundit calls “Replies”.

“No compulsion in ways” this is logic. And between the good way and bad way is clear. Allah give mankind the freedom of choice of their way, whether he choose the bad or the god ones. There no such thing as good religion or bad religion ? every religions claim to be good but is it true ?

According to Quran the good way is to surrender (islam) to God . So islam is not religion but it is simply a good way, and that is surender. How you explain “whoever you are from Jews, Nashara or Sabiens (in other word = all mankind) as long as you surrender (islam) and believe in the afterlife then you will be safe”

How come Jews, Nashara and sabiens doing 5 times ritual as you does according to your religion in the name of Islam ?

You guys abuse the word islam in Quran and create your own religion just like crhistian abuse teh real bible and create their own religion. Jews also the same.

Islam is NOT religion, is the WAY. Ways can be good or bad. It is your choice but the outcome you will gain after life and God decide where you go. This is the main teach of Quran.

http://63.175.194.25/index.php.....amp;ln=ara

[you can get an English translation by changing the last three characters of the URL to 'eng']

Now, in no way am I arguing that every other Muslim should agree with Bin Baaz, nor am I trying to portray Islamic exegesis as monolithic. I am simply noting the above as an interesting historical note relevant to your article (or at least your discussion with the relevant Christian on Paltalk).

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/sh.....qiyyah.htm