ANy FEAR OR “SEPERATION” WOULD be softened cause christianties god ,according to the gospels, knew that his death was not the END of him.isn’t there a happy ending to christian god’s suicide? satan has pre-knowledge that hundreds and thousands will join him in hell only if he endure pain for a few days and pretends to be god.Why would satan give 2 hoots about few days of pain and suffering and “seperation” from his evil?

“…any feelings of DISTANCE or ABANDONMENT by the father he might have suffered would have been softened by his expectation of being inevitably reunitd with him…”

“…god’s plan for the salvation of sinners, a PLAN in which jesus himself would have PARTICIPATED by ALLOWING himSELF TO BE EXECUTED, and which as gOD himSELF jesus would have HELPED DESIGN.Therefore far from feeling lonely jesus should have enjoyed a sense of cooperation and fellowship with the father in working towards an eminently worthwhile objective”

the first sentence in the second paragraph of the 1st response is correct when it said
“Thus, the sacrifices of ordinary human beings before and after Jesus are more IMPRESSIVE than that of Jesus, since unlike them, according to the gospels, he was fully aware that he would be resurrected and then ascend into heaven.”

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If I say “Why didn’t God just forgave sins?”, you will say “Because God does not go against His word(need blood to erase sins).” But the next statement is, God goes against his word(abrogation) in many parts of the Bible. For example, in the 10 Commandments, there is a rule which “Thou Shall Not Kill”, there is also what Jesus said “Turn the other cheek”, but Biblical God orders the killings of women, children, infants, plants and animals(see Deut. 2:32-37, and 1 Samuel 15:2-4).

Instead of going through what he(Jesus) KNEW what he was going to go through, he could have said, “You no longer have to sacrifice in order for ME to forgive your sins, because I am Most-Merciful.” You also want us to believe the original sin, something that is obviously unjust. Why am I responsible for what Adam and Eve did, specially of Eve(in the Bible, Eve is holding the biggest responsibility, but in the Qur’an Even AND Adam is held responsible).

Also you say “The pain and death were inconsequential compared to even a moments separation from the Father.” but the Trinity teaches that the Farther, the Son, and the Spirit are all one, yet distinct. Surely, the Son being one as the Father wouldn’t feel separation. Also, God having the burden of “feeling separation” doesn’t seem Godly. How can something ONE feel separated? This, feeling, clearly shows what Jesus was, a prophet who is a man(peace be upon him), because he wanted to be with GOD, the Creator.

“At the moment of His death, at the time he took all the sins of the world past and present upon Himself, He was separated from the Father. THAT was the real sacrifice. The pain and death were inconsequential compared to even a moments separation from the Father.”

What? How can GOD BE SEPARATED? Anyone hearing this will say “Wait, I though we worshiped One God, not 3 separate beings.” Trinity is supposed to say that you worship in one God, in 3 persons. How can they be all God if they are separated?

As for:
“The writer of the referenced piece, regardless of his time period, had a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of Christ, His sacrifice, and exactly Who Christians worship.”

I’m sure he only wrote what he saw.

Also, he is not “too” wrong. For example, one of the 10 commandments tell us not make idols! Yes, we see the statues of Jesus, Mary, and other biblical figures(peace be upon them) almost every church. Now you might argue that they are not idols in the sense that you do not offer anything to them and you do not believe they hold powers, but they are idols because they are used during worship as a “visual representation”(a reply I got for this before). But John 4:24 says:
“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

Can you say that you worship God in spirit when you have visual representations of him? Also, you can not deny that there Christians speak to these carvings as if they are God! Perhaps they give a wrong image of Christianity. But we do see in movies and such, such as Christians lighting candles in front of the cross, or Jesus, or Marry (peace be upon them both) and praying by LOOKING at them, as if they are talking to them and see them. Unlike the way we face(but not look, as we look down) Kiblah(it is a temple and it is for unity of the Muslims to worship in the same direction), we don’t believe that the Kiblah is a “visual interpretation” of God or any other figure. I do not believe Christianity(from the Bible) is an idolatry religion, maybe some Christians are giving the wrong image?

Anyways, I don’t want to derive from the point, the author only wrote what the people at the time and place thought and did. I agree that just because Jesus was a baby doesn’t mean he was defenseless(even though he ran from Egypt), but the problem is not with the author of the Poem but the Christian teachings.

You say that GOD incarnated his self in to Jesus and also God is 3 persons. How can God do both at the SAME TIME? Please don’t say he is capable of doing anything because the age old question “Can God create a boulder which He can not carry?” which basically means only think in the realm of reason. The Christian teachings just confused him as it confuses many people today(such as the creation[Genesis], I thought God isn’t suppose to be the God of confusion). By saying God incarnated his self in to Jesus(pbuh), you are saying God gave up his Godly powers, but I never heard, until now, a Christian say “the SON incarnated his self in flesh”, which is more easy to understand in the case of the incarnation. I always here the claim “God LITERALLY incarnated his self in flesh which we call Jesus.” But, then the author would think you worship 3 Gods. I honestly think that worshiping Jesus(pbuh) and others is wrong. We should only worship God as One, and not in 3 persons.

Since we are on that part, let us examine what you just said:
“Christ was born in the flesh to live life as man and to be tempted as such. His sinless life provided the righteous basis for his sacrifice. He was the Lamb without spot or blemish.”

Is God’s infinite knowledge an object that can be degraded by “mortalizing” in flesh? How can GOD be tempted or even TRIED?

As for your last comment, I thank you, because not many people do this. I think, even though I believe you are wrong, it is the thought that counts.

I pray to Allah so He may guide you to the True path, Islam.

seperation in your invention means god stopped being god? did the second leg of trinity know what seperation feels like before he puts it into action/incarnation? or does his omniscience and omnipotence switch off like electrical items? you said, “he was seperated from the father” this sounds like what humanity has been doing with its children long before christianity.why do you apply this to god? if the son was “seperated” he knew that his holy spirt was still CONNECTED with the father,didn’t this holy spirit + father connection ease the “seperation”?

USMAN (in reference to your post), while Christ knew full well that He was to die and that He would also be ressurected, that was not the real issue. At the moment of His death, at the time he took all the sins of the world past and present upon Himself, He was separated from the Father. THAT was the real sacrifice. The pain and death were inconsequential compared to even a moments separation from the Father. The cross is a symbol of that sacrifice. It is a rallying point for Christians, but we most certainly do not worship the cross.

Christ was born in the flesh to live life as man and to be tempted as such. His sinless life provided the righteous basis for his sacrifice. He was the Lamb without spot or blemish.

The writer of the referenced piece, regardless of his time period, had a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of Christ, His sacrifice, and exactly Who Christians worship.

I pray humbly for the salvation of all who read this. Salvation for all is God’s will as expressed in His Holy Word.