Here Paul takes the leap suggested by Matthew and equates Christ with the WISDOM of God, though Jesus himself (peace and blessings be upon him) acknowledged that he spoke only what was given to him to speak (John 12:49,50).

It’s very simple actually …when you remove those speculative Wisdom/logos conjectures, you get a human (only) prophet that performed miracles by the power of God who exemplified an excellent character toward his people. Those pagans and adherents to Jewish/Greek philosophies/mysticism who were witnessing the ministry and miracles of Jesus interpreted him through their distorted lenses. Just like they did momentarily with Paul and Barnabas, when they healed a man from Lystra. People immediately erroneously worshipped them and believed they were gods from heaven visiting the earth as reflected in their willingness to make sacrifices in reverence toward them.

1 “And it came to pass in Iconium, that they entered together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spoke that a very great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks did believe. 2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up and incensed the minds of the Gentiles against the brethren. 3 A long time therefore they abode there, dealing confidently in the Lord, who gave testimony to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands. 4 And the multitude of the city was divided; and some of them indeed held with the Jews, but some with the apostles. 5 And when there was an assault made by the Gentiles and the Jews with their rulers, to use them contumeliously, and to stone them:

6 They understanding it, fled to Lystra, and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and to the whole country round about, and were there preaching the gospel. 7 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, a cripple from his mother’s womb, who never had walked. 8 This same heard Paul speaking. Who looking upon him, and seeing that he had faith to be healed, 9 Said with a loud voice: Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped up, and walked. 10 And when the multitudes had seen what Paul had done, they lifted up their voice in the Lycaonian tongue, saying: The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men;

11 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter: but Paul, Mercury; because he was chief speaker. 12 The priest also of Jupiter that was before the city, bringing oxen and garlands before the gate, would have offered sacrifice with the people. Acts Chapter 14

This was one miracle. Now can you imagine these pagans and other peoples versed in Jewish/Greek philosophies/mysticism witnessing the greater miracles of Jesus during his ministry whilst he walked this earth. How would they have expressed their beliefs about him ? Think about this for a moment… I know the answer….. its transparent in the writings of the pagan church fathers and NT documents that obviously applied the wisdom/logos temples/lenses that distorted the identity of Jesus. Certain ‘professed’ followers of Jesus erroneously and literally interpreted the personified wisdom/logos modes of expression as an actual pre-existing eternal attribute that possessed its own self awareness sharing the same ontological equality with God (father) Almighty that conversed with Him from eternity. God’s attributes never possessed their own self awareness or conversed with God Almighty according to Old Testament times and history. The perversion of the understanding of the nature of Gods attributes happened from NT onwards. These erroneous innovations and conceptualizations begot the incarnation and Trinity doctrines that consequently distorted the real human historical Jesus.

There are no biblical or scriptural example where Gods attributes were perceived as actual self conscious ‘persons’ that shared the same ontological equality of God Almighty that subsisted with Him from eternity, prior to the supposed incarnation of the Logos that became Jesus as articulation in the doctrine of the Trinity?

God’s attributes – Wisdom/Logos never possessed their own self awareness or conversed with God Almighty as a distinct ‘person’ prior to the NT times. Only the Jewish/Greek mystic NT authors and Church fathers innovate this perverted idea, which later prepared the foundations for a sect of Christianity known today as Trinitarianism.

Remove the wisdom/Logos templates/lenses and see the real Human prophet of God - Jesus the Messiah.

Jesus was not the Word (Logos) he was created by the Word -

“This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust then said to him: “BE” and he was..”

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Three” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. “

The Eaton quote has nothing “hateful” to say about Christians. That’s your heavy (mis)interterpretation of Eaton’s words. For both Muslims AND CHRISTIANS, those outside of their faith - who according to the adherents reject the truth of these respective faiths - are infidels, or unbelievers. There is nothing “hateful” here. Christians and Jews are addressed as the “people of the book” by the Quran, who are free to practise their religion, even though their religions are deemed to be a mixture of truth and falsehood. There is no “punishment” for them merely for being Christians or Jews. Likewise, you distort Muslim theology when you imply that forced conversion via the sword is an Islamic teaching. There is no such Muslim theology. Forced conversions are forbidden in Islam.

You do not explain via argument why the calls for tolerance and equality by Muslims residing in the West are “laughable”? You just make a statement without making any attempt to argue for it. You then claim for yourself the power to read into the minds of all Muslims when you proclaim that Muslims calling for moderation are in fact “raging” with “hatred” and believe it is their “duty” to “become martyrs for their cause” - whatever that means. Basically, it seems you believe you can read into the hearts and minds of all Muslims and know for sure what they “really” think. Their words mean nothing because you already “know” what they “really” think. Here your prejudice and own hatred towards Muslims is obvious. Your hate and contempt for Muslims is also clear when you proclaim that the reason for the high birth rate among some Muslim communities is due to the desire of these Muslims to “out-populate” others. As usual, no argument and evidence is submitted for this nasty claim. Your hate continues in your lies regarding Muhammad (P) - the claim that he liked “young girls” etc. If you would study Islam with an open mind, you will see that Muhammed (P) was a man of high moral and ethical character, possessing immense charisma.

Regarding Jesus (P), have you not read the part where he went inside the temple and applied violence upon the money changers and traders therein?

There are no Christian communities in Saudi Arabia, so for whom should be church be created? For decoration purposes? Christians who do stay in Saudi Arabia do so for a temporary period, after which they go back to their own countries. They are, however, permitted to worship where they reside and observe their religious customs. Also, Saudis are not particularly tolerant towards non-Wahabi Muslims either. It is not just non-Muslims, but large segments of Muslim population who face a difficult time in Saudi Arabia. Be that as it may, churches exist in numerous other Muslim countries.

As for conversions, some Muslims do convert to Christianity and other faiths in various Muslim countries without any action being taken against them by the state. It is true, however, that in some nations apostasy is a punishable crime. My point here is that there is diversity among Muslim nations which you overlook.

Nonetheless, your comments are exceptionally of a poor quality for containing numerous logical fallacies and for being basically a mass of red-herrings.

There is a misunderstanding: the Bible is made up of many different parts, compiled over many centuries and it is possible to cast doubt upon one part without impugning the rest; whereas the Qur’an is a single revelation, received by just one man, either you accept it for what it claims to be, in which case you are a Muslim or you reject this claim, and so place yourself outside the fold of Islam…”

The discussion as to whether Christ was God or a messenger of God I will leave for another day. But this quote defines, clearly, the Muslim hatred of the Christian. “So you place yourself outside the fold of Islam..” So, by definition and extension, you become an infidel, worthy of exclusion or worse punishments by the Muslim faithful.

The one-eyed view of the world by Islamists and the fundamentalists brooks no dissent and challenges it with violence. The calls for “tolerance” and “equality” by Muslims living in the West is laughable. Beneath the veneer of moderate Islam is the raging hatred of those who believe that it is duty of all Muslims to become Martyrs for their cause.

Tell me, can a Christian church be erected in Saudi Arabia? NO. Is there a mosque in Rome? YES. Can a Christian legally convert to Islam in Christian countries? YES Can a Muslim convert to Christianity? NO

You take the tolerance and freedom granted by Western liberal democracies and fester a cancer within them that will one day doubtless destroy them and you as well. You spur on a burgeoning birth rate amongst Muslims in the West in the hope to out-populate them if you cannot convert them via the sword or through faith.

I am not a “bible-bashing” Christian but I have a great faith in the greater good of humanity. I believe that Christ was a very good and Charismatic MAN and one of higher moral value than the misogynistic and pedophilic Mohamed (He had a liking for young girls…even married one!). Mohamed merely stitched together his interpretation of Christ’s teachings and the Jewish faith to create his own following…in that way no different to many “prophets” literally selling religion for profit (both Christian based and Islamic) around the world to this very day.

Christ’s message was undoubtedly corrupted by the early Catholic church and its interpretations of the New Testament but here is what all human beings need to remember about what he said:
-That we must love one another.
-That we must obey the ten commandments (Someone pass that message on to Bin-Laden please…).
-That we should render unto Caesar that which is Caeser’s (In other words, Church and State must be separate…thankfully the Turks realise this and have slowed the drift of that nation towards fundamentalism.).
-That violence is never the answer…”turn the other cheek.”

I don’t believe that he actually said he was the one “Son of God”…rather he told us that we were all the Sons and Daughters of God.
When all the religious nutcases of all the various flavours of religion realise this then humanity will reach its full potential.

Whatever “God” is is within all of us…every living thing. My personal opinion is that word “God” can easily substituted for the word “Universe.” Good will ultimately triumph over evil…history repeatedly bears this out. We are changing and evolving and knowing more about the state of being, of existence every day. Your website calls on people to think that Christ was no more than a off-beat prophet whilst Mohamed was the one and only “true” messenger of God. God’s message cannot be delivered by any man, Christ or Mohamed but you can feel it every time you embrace your family or shake the hand or someone you care about…that simple feeling is God at work…connecting all life with love, knowledge and curiosity. This is a message that cannot be conveyed in words.

Another page in your website has a poem by an early Muslim cleric asking Christians why they honor the cross when it was the instrument of Christ’s death and how it is that God could be crucified on the cross. He missed the point of Christ’s sacrifice and so do many Christians. Christ’s surrendering to the cross was not only an act of sacrifice and faith on his part but a symbol and reminder to all of us that His love would surpass the hatred of mortal men. His sacrifice was to remind us of the power of forgiveness and love in the face of pure evil. Think about it, please.

thanks for posting my article. Despite its imperfections I do hope I generates some interesting debate.

My one comment about your site is the addition of Christian links embedded in my piece, e.g. in the first sentence “Jesus Christ” contains a link to a Christian site I am not happy with. Can this (and the others) be removed please?

best wishes

Paul Williams