Paul of Tarsus: The Clear-Cut Hypocrite保罗塔尔苏斯:清楚明确的伪君子

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Tera Tak Adamar泰拉德阿达马尔

We read the following teachings of the so-called “apostle” from Tarsus, Paul, written in his epistles as follows:我们阅读了所谓的“使徒从塔尔苏斯,保罗在他的书信作为书面,”以下教诲如下:

If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.如果可能的话,只要它取决于你,无论是在与众人和睦。 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” (Romans 12:18-19)永远不要把你自己的报复,亲爱的,但离开了神的愤怒空间,因为它是写,“复仇是我的,我会报答。”(罗12:18-19)

Another teaching which Paul had written is:另一个是保罗写的教学:

Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.熊彼此原谅你任何不满可能对彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you.原谅上帝原谅你的。 (Col 3:13) (西3:13)

A summary of the above recorded statements by Paul:作者:保罗上面记录的发言摘要:

  • Be at peace with all men.在与众人和睦。
  • Never take your own revenge, beloved!永远不要把你自己的报复,敬爱!
  • Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.熊彼此原谅你任何不满可能对彼此。

We admit that these are all beautiful teachings.我们承认,这些都是美丽的教诲。 The question now, however, is did Paul himself put these very same teachings of his into effect?现在的问题,但是,是保罗自己把这些同样的教义的影响,他的目标? As it so happens, we beg to differ!由于如此情况,我们不能苟同!

Paul's Hypocrisy Revealed 保罗的伪善揭晓

We read in Acts that:我们读到的行为是:

And after some days Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us return and visit the brethren in every city in which we proclaimed the word of the Lord, and see how they are.” And Barnabas was desirous of taking John, called Mark, along with them also.过了些日子,保罗对巴拿巴说:“让我们返回和访问每一个城市中,我们宣布了主词的弟兄,看他们是如何。”和巴拿巴是采取约翰渴望,叫做马克,随着他们还。 But Paul kept insisting that they should not take him along who had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work.但保罗坚持认为他们不应该带上谁抛弃了他们,在潘菲利亚没有与他们去了他工作。 And there arose such a sharp disagreement that they separated from one another, and Barnabas took Mark with him and sailed away to Cyprus.于是出现这样一个尖锐的分歧,他们彼此分开,巴拿巴带着马可,坐船走了塞浦路斯。 (Acts 15:36-40) (徒15:36-40)

It is clear that Paul and Barnabas had had a sharp disagreement and later parted company because of that same disagreement.很显然,保罗和巴拿巴了尖锐的分歧,后来分手,因为该公司同不同意。 So Paul was not following what he had preached, namely to “…be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18).因此,保罗不按他所鼓吹的,即“...在和平与所有男人”(罗12:18)。

We also observe that Paul had not forgiven John (called Mark) for having abandoned him and Barnabas at Pamphylia (Acts 15:38) and opposed Barnabas' plan to take John with him.我们还看到,保罗还没有原谅约翰(称为马克)因被遗弃在潘菲利亚(使徒15:38),并反对巴拿巴'计划,他带着他的约翰和巴拿巴。 Apparently Paul had amnesia with regard to his teaching, “forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.显然保罗教学失忆关于他,“你原谅任何不满可能对彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you” (Col. 3:13). 作为主原谅原谅你“(西3:13)。 So why did not Paul forgive John for abandoning him earlier?那么,为什么不放弃保罗原谅他刚才约翰?

Further, regarding revenge, this snake taught that “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19) but yet Paul himself took his revenge against John (called Mark) by refusing to take him in the journey.此外,关于报复,这蛇教导说“永远不要把你自己的报复,亲爱的!”(罗马书12:19),但尚未对约翰保罗自己拿了他在他的复仇之旅(称为马克)采取了拒绝。 So again we ask, why did Paul seek his revenge against John when he had clearly forbidden this?因此,我们再次问,为什么他对约翰保罗寻求报复时,他已明确禁止呢? He is no doubt a clear-cut hypocrite , through and through!他无疑是一个明确的伪君子 ,通过并通过!

On a related sidenote, this snake also has used在一个相关的联盟论坛,这蛇也利用 Jesus耶稣 '(P) name in his teachings when in reality it is not originally from Jesus(P), but from his own concoction. '(P)的名字时,他的教诲在现实中它不是最初由耶稣(P),但他自己的捏造。 For example, in 1 Corinthians 15:6, Paul taught that the resurrected Christ had appeared to over five hundred breathren at one time but this episode is not available in the Gospels.例如,在哥林多前书15:6,保罗告诉我们,复活的基督出现了超过500 breathren在同一时间,但这次事件中没有可用的福音。 Another proof is in Acts 20:35, whereby Paul cites, “remember the words of the Lord Jesus how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive” .另一个证据列举的行为是在20:35,让保罗,“记得他说过的话主耶稣如何,这是更为有福给予比接受”。 This citation is certainly not from Jesus(P) because nowhere in the Gospels is this quote to be found and attributed to Jesus(P).这当然是福音引文不是从耶稣(规划),因为这是行不通的报价被发现,并归因于耶稣(规划)。 This same snake has also urged all the Jews amongst the Gentiles to forsake Moses(P), he told them not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs (Acts 21:21), this goes against what Jesus(P) himself taught.这也要求同样的蛇外邦人之间所有的犹太人放弃摩西(规划),他告诉他们不要孩子行割礼,也不走之后,海关(徒21:21),这违反了耶稣(P)的自己教导。 But sadly, the Christian missionaries and Christians in general have taken this hypocrite as their “apostle” and they generally behave like him as well.但可悲的是,基督教传教士和一般基督徒都采取这一作为他们的“使徒伪君子”,他们一般表现为像他一样好。

Conclusions 结论

It is very clear from the above exposition that Paul was a hypocrite, and hence, how could the Christian missionaries expect Muslims to accept this snake as a legitimate “follower” of the Messiah Jesus(P), the son of Mary?很明显,从上面的论述,保罗是个伪君子清楚,因此,如何能指望的基督教传教士穆斯林接受此作为一个合法的“跟随耶稣的弥赛亚(规划),玛利亚的儿子”蛇? Paul clearly told others to make peace but he himself did not practice what he had preached when he had a sharp disagreement with Barnabas and they parted company (Acts 15).保罗清楚地告诉别人,使和平,但他本人并没有实践他所鼓吹的时候,他同巴拿巴尖锐的分歧和他们分手公司(使徒15)。 This totally contradicts what he had earlier taught, namely “be at peace with all men” (Romans 12:18) and “forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.这完全违背了他早先教,即“在和平与所有男人”(罗12:18)和“原谅你什么不满可能对彼此。 Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” (Col. 3:13) 原谅上帝原谅你的。“(歌3:13)

He had also taken his revenge upon John (called Mark) because John had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not gone with them to the work, as recorded in Acts 15, even though he told the Romans, “Never take your own revenge, beloved!” (Romans 12:19).他还采取马克)他的报复后,约翰(约翰称,因为他们已经被遗弃潘菲利亚并没有与他们去的工作,为15录得行为,即使他说,罗马人,“不要把你自己的报复,心爱的!“(罗马书12:19)。 It seem that it was Barnabas who was more religious than Paul because he did not take his revenge upon John.它似乎是巴拿巴谁比保罗的宗教,因为他并没有采取报复后,他的约翰。

Which leads us to the question:这使我们的问题:

    If Paul himself has failed to follow what he had taught, would he indeed follow what Jesus(P) had taught? 如果保罗自己也没有按照他所教,他会效法耶稣(P)的教?

And only God knows best.而且,只有上帝知道最好的。

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  1. Tera Tak Adamar, You surely don't like Paul for some reason.泰拉德阿达马尔,你肯定不喜欢保罗出于某种原因。 But I need to correct you on some points you made about Paul.但我要纠正你对一些问题保罗造了你。 Yes he did have a argument over Mark, but no where does it say that he didn't forgive him.是的,他确实有过马克的说法,但却没有在那里没有说,他不原谅他。 In 2Timothy 4:9-13 Paul states: 9Do your best to come to me quickly, 10for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica.在2Timothy 4:9-13保罗指出:9Do你最好来我快,10for德马斯,因为他爱这个世界,就离弃我,已经到帖撒罗尼迦。 Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia. Crescens已经到加拉太,和提多到达尔马提亚。 11Only Luke is with me. 11Only路加在我这里。 Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry.找马克和随身携带他,因为他帮助我在我部。 12I sent Tychicus to Ephesus. 12I派推基古到以弗所。 13When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments. 13When你来,把斗篷,我和腕部留在特罗亚,和我的条幅,特别是羊皮纸。 You can read it for yourself Paul here is at the end of his life and he is asking for Mark, and not only asking for him but praises him to,and it's in the bible for all time.你可以阅读它你自己的保罗在这里是在他生命结束,他所要求的标志,而不是只对他进行询问,但是他的赞誉,并在所有时间圣经的。 And your other points of disageement, I don't have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down.和disageement您的其他点,我还没有确切的证据,但在约翰21:24-25,约翰指出:24This是谁的弟子证明这些东西是谁写下来。 We know that his testimony is true.我们知道,他的证词是真实的。

    25Jesus did many other things as well. 25Jesus做了很多其他的东西也。 If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.如果他们每个人都写下来,我想,即便是整个世界不会有将要的书室。 You can believe it or not about what Paul claims to have happen or said, that's not the Question.你可以相信它或不知道什么是保罗声称已经发生或说,那不是问题。 The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ's claims of being God Almighty in the flesh.问题是你会做什么用的是全能的上帝在肉身耶稣基督的说法。 You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us).你可以相信你想要的或者你被告知,但声称是耶稣在肉身的神,甚至他的名字叫耶稣(上帝与我们同)。 And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say?这蛇在罗马书10:8-13说:8But它说什么? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. “这个词是你附近,它是在你口里,在你的心”,即,信仰的话,我们是宣称:9That你若口里认,“耶稣是主”,并相信在你心中,上帝他从死里复活,就必得救。 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 10For那就是你相信,是有道理的,它与你的嘴是你承认并保存与你的心。 11As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 11As圣经说,“谁在他的信任将永远蒙羞。”12For有犹太人和非犹太人之间没有区别?同样的主是上帝保佑所有富饶所有谁请他,13for,“大家谁在求告主名的,就必得救。“
    We will never know all things until we stand before our Righteous God, but one thing I do know is that Jesus is my reason for living and He gives me assurance that I am saved from my sins and hope someday that you can know the same fact in your life.我们永远不会知道所有事情,直到我们站在我们的正义之神,但有一点我知道的是,耶稣是我活着的理由和他给我保证,我从我的罪,救hope总有一天你可以知道同一事实在你的生活。

    In His Love在他的爱
    Michael迈克尔

  2. danny says: 丹尼 说:

    Turpin, the main problem I have with your reply is that it is based on a shaky source.特平,最主要的问题我已经回答你的是,它是建立在不稳定的根源。 Whether you agree with the arguments or not, the fact is that according to the scholarly concensus, Paul is not the author of 2 Timothy (or of 1 Timothy and Titus).不论你是否同意或不同意的论点,但事实是,根据学者的共识,保罗是不是提摩太(或提摩太和提多1作者)。 Although the writings claim to have been authored by Paul, scholars are reasonably certain that Paul is not their author.虽然著作声称已被保罗创作,也有学者相当肯定,保罗是不是他们的作者。

    Therefore, we can view the statement in 2 Timothy as the product of later Christians who desired to smooth the conflict between Paul and others.因此,我们可以查看提摩太作为谁想要顺利保罗和其他人之间的冲突后来基督教徒产品的声明。

    Now, relying sole upon the undoutedly authentic Pauline writings, there is no indication within them that Paul forgave Mark and others.现在,依靠真正的undoutedly宝莲著作唯一的,没有任何迹象表明他们在马克和保罗原谅了别人。 On the contrary, Paul comes out as an arrogant individual who believes that only he is right and that he is the boss.相反,保罗出来作为一个傲慢个人谁认为只有他是对的,他是老板。 Thus, as long as Paul is the boss its alright, and he reacts angrily as soon as his authority is questioned.因此,只要保罗是老板的还好,他愤怒地作出反应,尽快他的权威受到质疑。 Later writings, such as Acts, try to salvage the image of Paul by smoothing the sharp conflicts we encounter in Paul's own writings.后来的著作,如行为,试图挽救了平滑的尖锐矛盾,我们在保自己的著作遇到保罗的形象。

    Turpin, you write:特平,你写:

    “And your other points of disageement, I don?t have exact evidence, but in John 21:24-25, John states: 24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. “而且disageement您的其他点,我不?吨有确切证据,但在约翰21:24-25,约翰指出:24This是谁的弟子证明这些东西是谁写下来。 We know that his testimony is true.我们知道,他的证词是真实的。

    25Jesus did many other things as well. 25Jesus做了很多其他的东西也。 If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”如果他们每个人都写下来,我想,即便是整个世界不会有将要的书室。“

    There is almost universal agreement among scholars that the whole of chapter 21 was added to the gospel of John by an unknown redactor after the unknown author completed the gospel.其中有近21章的全部加入到了约翰福音由一位不知名的修订者完成后,无名作者的福音学者普遍协议。 Who is this “beloved disciple”?谁是这个“心爱的弟子”? John is not the author of this gospel, it's an anonymous book.约翰是不是这个福音的作者,它是一个匿名的书。

    You also write:您还写:

    “The Question is what will you do with Jesus Christ?s claims of being God Almighty in the flesh.” “问题是你会怎么做耶稣基督?被全能的上帝在肉身之申索。”

    I think there is no such statement made by Jesus (P) which is found within the gospels.我认为不存在这样的声明,耶稣(规划)是在发现了福音。

    You proceed:您进行:

    “You can believe what you want or what you have been told, but Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh, even His name is Yeshua, (God with us).” “你可以相信你想要的或者你被告知,但声称是耶稣在肉身的神,甚至他的名字叫耶稣(上帝与我们同)。”

    This is weak argument.这是薄弱的论据。 Can you tell us what Ishmael means?你能告诉我们什么伊斯梅尔是什么意思?

    Moving on:移动于:

    “And that snake wrote in Romans 10:8-13: 8But what does it say? “这蛇在罗马书10:8-13说:8But它说什么? ?The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,? ?这个词是你附近,它是在你口里,在你的心,? that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, ?Jesus is Lord,?也就是说,我们的信仰词宣称:9That你若口里认?耶稣是主,? and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. ,在你心里相信,上帝他从死里复活,就必得救。 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 10For那就是你相信,是有道理的,它与你的嘴是你承认并保存与你的心。 11As the Scripture says, ?Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.?12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile?the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, ?Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.?” 11As圣经说,?任何谁在他的信任将永远蒙羞。?12For有犹太人和非犹太人之间没有区别?同样的主是上帝保佑所有富饶所有谁请他,13for,?大家谁在求告主名的,就必得救。?“

    Now, I believe you said that JESUS (P) claimed to be god.现在,我相信你说,耶稣(规划)自称是神。 So far you havent quoted any alleged words of Jesus (P), we just have Paul, who, btw, does not quite say that Jesus (P) is god.到目前为止,你还没引用耶稣的(P)的指控的话,我们只是保罗,谁,顺便说一句,不太说,耶稣(P)是神。

    Finally, I will add that it's quite wrong to refer to Paul as a “snake” and use other similar offensive words.最后,我想补充一点是非常错误的,称为一个“蛇”,并使用其他类似的攻击性字眼保罗。 We may disagree with Paul, but that can be done in a respectable manner.我们可能不同意保罗,但可以在一个体面的方式进行。 So I hope that the author of the paper removes the abusive descriptions of Paul.因此,我希望删除的文件的作者保罗的侮辱性的描述。

  3. huss gunda says: 胡斯贡达 说:

    “To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law – though not being myself under the law – that I might win those under the law. “对于犹太人,我就作为一个犹太人,为了赢得犹太人;在律法以下的人我就因为根据法律规定之一 - 虽然在法律上没有自己 - 我要得律法以下的人。 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law – not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ – that I might win those outside the law.” (I Corinthians 9, 20)要在法律之外的我成了一个在法律之外 - 不是对上帝,但没有法律根据基督的律法 - 我可能赢在法律之外的福利。“(哥林多前书9,20)

    yeah paul, eat kosher in the morning and then eat pig in the evening.we all know you didn't want to reveal to the people you were targeting that you were under “law of christ.”是的保罗,在早上吃犹太教,然后吃的evening.we猪都知道你不想透露你的人你定位在“基督的律法了。”

  1. [...] While Islam does not have any notion of a taqiyyah except in the minds of those who whale about it, in Christianity we can find an interesting example of how one can resort to taqiyyah. [...]虽然伊斯兰教没有谁,除非这些鲸鱼的头脑中关于它的任何一个taqiyyah概念在基督教中,我们可以找到一个人可以如何采取taqiyyah有趣的例子。 Namely, the example of Paul of Tarsus, who was not only a scheming imposter, but a hypocrite and a false prophet.也就是说,对大数,谁是骗子不仅是一个诡计多端的保罗的例子,但一个伪君子和假先知。 Such is the taqiyyah resorted to by this man that he said thus: “But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless being crafty, I caught you with guile.” (2 Corinthians 12:16) [...]这就是采取了这名男子说,他这样说:“但无论是这样,我没有你的负担,taqiyyah:不过是狡猾的,我赶上了狡猾你。”(林后12:16)[...]

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